Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by exsto_human, Nov 2, 2003.
I found this site http://mtbest.net, this is a good example of good ideas to follow.
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They are advance because majority of the people cannot understand their claim
Good ideas for whom?
And what does that have to do with the topic?
Wrong, their claims are understood. And their claims cannot be substantiated.
They are not "advanced" but deluded.
WHY do you restrict yourself to your own rules? our latest post are about ideas.
Because we have a topic to discuss (after a fashion). If you want to talk about something else start a new thread.
I'm still trying to get a rational response from you on your original "claims".
No, they were about you holding incorrect ideas as espoused in that ridiculous book.
Holidays in Australia aren't relevant.
You are not conscious enough to comprehend thats why the book is so ridiculous for you. Your reality is distorted.
Have you tried meditation? it will help you relax your mind and get in touch with reality.
And now you're having to resort to fantasy yourself.
My mind is as relaxed as it needs to be, and you're the one that needs to get get in touch with reality. It would make a change from the nonsense you currently subscribe to. Who knows? You may even learn something.
And I note that you still can't come up with any reasoning as to why you think the book is valid...
Why are you so sure that the book is invalid?
As I have previously said: it's a fantasy. It has nothing whatsoever to support its claims and goes directly against known facts.
And since I have had the good grace to answer your question (albeit with information I have already given you) would you now answer what I have been asking you for many pages?
Why are you so sure it is valid?
What are these information?
As I said before, the book is valid because I understand it is valid. Its in the mind, the explanation is beyond words. I feed my mind with many information and ideas. The book is just an information. And I just know which is valid and not valid
It's a fantasy. It has nothing whatsoever to support its claims and goes directly against known facts.
In other words you don't even have the decency to answer my questions. You believe because you want to believe. And you rely on ignorance to "support" that belief.
Obviously not, since the book is not "information".
Apparently you don't, you just think you do.
The book is NOT information. To say it is is false.
Yes it is.
Information in its most restricted technical sense is an ordered sequence of symbols that record or transmit a message. It can be recorded as signs, or conveyed as signals by waves. Information is any kind of event that affects the state of a dynamic system. As a concept, however, information has numerous meanings. Moreover, the concept of information is closely related to notions of constraint, communication, control, data, form, instruction, knowledge, meaning, mental stimulus, pattern, perception, representation, and especially entropy.
what you need is the right information
Instruction? Knowledge? Meaning?
What you need is an education.
Can you provide me with one single example of something in the book that wasn't previously known and has since been shown to be true or real? Anything at all?
I am certainly not going to read this book, and I jumped after reading a few pages of the beginning of this thread to here.
What I did see reminded me a great deal of Carlos Castaneda and books from the late 60's. You are probably familiar with him, but here is the Wiki.
So is that what this junk is? Some sort of "reincarnation" of Castaneda?
One possible (rather large) difference remaining...
I've read couple of chapters, but it's all the same: the story of his "visit" - not one single thing to link it to reality or explain why we're supposed to accept it. If it weren't published as "fact" then it would largely indistinguishable from, say Michael Moorcock's Warrior of Mars (but not as well-written). I.e. supposedly a narrative of an actual visit to an alien planet and what he did there.
I particularly *cough* enjoyed the part where he writes:
(Alien speaking to him: )
Er, if time has stopped how are they conversing? Why, and how, is anything happening?
Hmm, or maybe T. Lobsang Rampa. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I haven't read any Castenada, it's hard enough to get my local library to get me Borges' books!
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Ha! I just noticed - every check I've done of "Who's Online" for the last 20 minutes has shown liv4ever as replying to this thread. I had assumed he was going to attempt to answer my last question.
Looks like it was one question too many, he's logged out...
Thanks for the conveying the general idea.
Yeah, this sounds somewhat familiar as well.
I read all sorts of stuff when I was a teenager, trying to figure out what makes "sense".
Remember, this was during a period when all of American society was going through a tremendous paradigm shift evolving from the Vietnam war and associated counter "Hippie" movement up through new age mysticism.
The basic premise seems similar, Castenada ran into "Don Juan" who enlightened Carlos in many ways. For example, he [en]lightened him so much that he was able to jump over houses or barns. And so on... IIRC
This was the first book. So instead of Aliens we have "Yaqui Indian Sorcerers". Just think, this stuff was published as fact not fiction! Still technically is, see my linked info in the previous post... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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