Theory on existence.

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by seekeroftheway, Feb 26, 2006.

  1. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    you seem sure. now...how do you KNOW?
     
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  3. seekeroftheway Let go your conscious self... Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe he's one of those zombie people's like from that zombie survival guide link in the "do you believe in vampires" thread in subcultures.
     
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  5. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    he dosent know, but he believes he knows and thats good enough for him


    leave him be,

    peace.
     
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  7. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    no.
     
  8. Hipparchia Registered Senior Member

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    You could argue that if it is allright to have faith in an afterlife without actually knowing, then it is OK to have faith in no afterlife, without actually knowing. If that's not too screwed up? I don't know!
     
  9. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    yes, that makes gret sense. and thats what i basically mean. HOWcan we know?....we may have clus...for example NDEs.....but must remember that what is exprienced may depend on the prson's belief system. ie., a Westerner may exprince the classic 'tunnel' and 'loving spirit' etc, whereas an Indian may have a more gruesome encounter wit the 'Lord of Death'

    but because of these cultural variations does this man that there is no actual sense of awareness post mortem?
     
  10. Hipparchia Registered Senior Member

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    Are you sure there are these cultural differences? I hadn't heard of those before. I thought it was all white light and tunnels?
     
  11. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    No apparently not...i have notes about this too--may try nd find them if i remember
    some of the Indian NDEs I have ead seem pretty grim, quite strange really considering some of teir florid mythological motifs. but its like them having their 'limbs' cut off....!....and the 'life review' may just involve a book, not the video experiences some Westerners may have

    so from what i have read it seems to point to the inference that when pole have these experiences they take with them their ingrained assumptions
     
  12. Hipparchia Registered Senior Member

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    I found this site. It mentions an example of the dismemberment you mentioned:

    http://www.near-death.com/hindu.html

    It says there are differences between the NDEs in the West and the East, and links them to the different cultures, just as you have done.
     
  13. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Because god does not exist, and the existence of an afterlife implies the existence of gods, which DO NOT EXIST.
     
  14. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    do your dreams 'exist' WHEN you are dreaming?
     
  15. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    That not the same thing, you ponce. Gods are delusions, and thus, afterlives are delusions. When you die, you die, no do-overs, no mulligans, no ghosts, no reincarnations, no returns. Period. End-of-story.
     
  16. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    who ya trying to convince mr, me or YOU??
     
  17. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    ok then fair enough its your choice.


    but it is futile.


    peace.
     
  18. Hipparchia Registered Senior Member

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    I don't see the connection. Can you explain? Why would the absence of an afterlife be evidence for the non-existence of God? Why would the existence of a God require that there be an afterlife? And so on. It doesn't make sense, does it?
     
  19. seekeroftheway Let go your conscious self... Registered Senior Member

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    Can you honestly say that you can imagine not existing? Like total nonexistence, no spirit, no nothing? Just gone? I can't.
     
  20. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    You can't because are afraid to to, and fear simply gives rise to more fear. Stop being afraid and face logic.
     
  21. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    hahaha....your right AND wrong. tell yer 'logic' to work THAT one out

    yes thee is logic, but we usually use a limited logic right. this limited logic is still caught in 'either or' territory right...? wrong?

    yes death IS the end........

    end

    what is oppo-site to 'end'?

    d'ya get me?
     
  22. seekeroftheway Let go your conscious self... Registered Senior Member

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    Logic, eh? Ok, I derived from logic that for all intents and purposes, I would be reincarnated. The idea that death is the absolute eternal end DOES NOT FIT into the way everything works. I also derived that life, death, everything I see, hear, feel, and otherwise sense, is a total illusion, fabricated by my mind to hide/protect me from the truth. And that once that truth is found death will only be a memory, not a spectre haunting ever closer on my footsteps. Logic is entirely interpretive, what makes sense to you makes little sense to me.
     
  23. Hipparchia Registered Senior Member

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    Logic is a usefull tool. A wrench is a usefull tool for working on a car engine, but I wouldn't find it very helpfull for baking. Is it not possible, Hapsburg, that logic has its limits of usefullness?
     

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