Discussion in 'Religion' started by StrangerInAStrangeLand, Jul 26, 2018.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

    No and no.

    Again, you look foolish when you try to imagine arguments to defeat. If you are going to argue with yourself, perhaps Word is a better platform than an online forum.
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  3. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

    Perhaps Monty Python's Argument Clinic could help him.

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  5. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

    Then feel free to explain exactly why gov't doesn't work on a sunday, since you just crossed out these two options
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  7. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

    So the reasoning is most women would choose to go topless if not for religious/social pressures? They are brainwashed?

    So, nobody performing a government job has never worked a holiday or a Sunday, ever, because of religious influence in government?
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Some would - the reason they don't is that they are threatened and would be punished, largely at the behest of Abrahamic religious adherents.
    The early Postmasters of the US mandated delivery of mail on Sunday, due to the Constitutional prohibition of enforcing religious rules.
    The change in that ruling and regulation was due to pressure from Christians.
  9. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    I have no problem whatsoever with the good things that religion does. I just think you could take the religion out and accomplish the same thing.
  10. gmilam Valued Senior Member

    Close to where I live there is a town (Keene, TX) that is primarily a 7th Day Adventist community. They don't deliver mail on Saturday. I don't know if they deliver on Sunday instead, or if they get both days off.
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

    ?? No. No one said anything about brainwashing. And most women wouldn't "choose to go topless" any more than most men "choose to go topless." What are you talking about?
    ?? Again, no. What the hell are you talking about?
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

    The US government used to deliver mail on Sundays; they wisely heeded the First Amendment. Starting in 1820, Protestant ministers started demanding that the US stop deliveries, for two reasons. One (the most often stated reason) was that it was unholy. It was "part of the churches’ wider efforts to enforce a 'Puritan Sabbath' against the demands of Mammon [the devil.]" The second reason was more mundane; people would congregate in the post office whenever the mail came in to pick up their mail, and since everyone was there, it turned into a social event, with people playing cards and gossiping. This, of course, resulted in fewer people going to church - and thus fewer contributions.

    However, for a while, the government resisted the calls to make Sunday a Christian holiday. In 1828, Kentucky Senator Richard M. Johnson (war hero and devout Baptist) stated that any federal attempt to give preference to the Christian Sabbath would be unconstitutional. He noted that religious intolerance had both led to people coming to the US, and to a war of independence, and thus the US had drawn a line between government and religion. In fact, he stated that ”the line cannot be too strongly drawn." So they failed - for a while.

    Finally, though, the religious leaders found an ally - the labor unions. The unions wanted a plausible excuse for a day off, and so they, along with the ministers, pressured the government to close the post offices on Sunday. The law was passed in 1912, in contradiction to the First Amendment. Other government offices followed suit, since in the early days of the US, nothing could be done without the mail.

    For over a century, the Christian Sabbath has thus been officially observed by the US government. Fortunately that is now changing, and some areas now offer Sunday mail delivery.
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Yep. And in New York City there are a lot of Orthodox Jews who celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday. Thus you get the joy of "Shabbat elevators" and "Shabbat traffic lights." Which are always fun when you are trying to visit someone in a hospital in NYC.
  14. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

    One would expect the USPS to offer more services and deliver on Sundays due to competition from perhaps, Fedex or UPS, but neither of those companies delivers on Sundays, yet USPS does and they are expanding those services.
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

    The USPS started delivering on Sundays primarily to support Amazon, who made a deal with them to carry many of their packages.
  16. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

    Aha! The plot thickens. We ordered an item from Amazon on a Sunday afternoon, it arrived the following day. Clearly, a lot of folks were working that day.
  17. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

    02/13/2011 02:48 pm ET Updated May 25, 2011
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    By Ian Squires
    • version of a 2083 classroom, in a country long accepting homosexuality as, well, as what some people are. But what if we follow another path?
      Future History Students: “But two men or two women can’t make a baby!”
      Whitefish Bay, Wisc., 2083 — According to students in Mr. Ezra Knowles’ fourth-period History class, it’s “astounding” that way back in the dark aged beginnings of the 21st century, people of the same sex publicly undertook romantic relationships without shame, even pressing for similar rights as other people, up to and including the ability to marry people of their own gender.
      “Hold up there, Chief. Two men, or two women, actually thought it made sense for them to get married?” asked 14-year old Bryce Regis, born in 2068, and wearing the “I [heart] Jesus” t-shirt he stole from a smaller boy the previous week. “That was less than a hundred years ago. Are you saying they outlawed the Bible back then, or something crazy like that? I’m no priest, but I’m pretty sure that kind of talk could earn you an eternity in hell,” he said with a look of God-fearing worry.
      Bryce’s teacher, Mr. Knowles, reminded him that American pioneer and hero President Sarah Palin wasn’t even able to make Christianity the official national religion of the original United States until well into her second term, sparking more than half of the freshman history class to gasp.
      “I know, but that was during only the initial years of the fall of liberalism when the razor-toothed communists, the ones the Prophet Reagan,” he nodded holding up a one-dollar bill featuring President Ronald Reagan, “banished to Hell for eating babies and levying taxes, were still in fresh memory. Back then the Democrats had some crazy ideas that the few remaining outlaw party members today don’t much like to talk about.”
      Mr. Knowles then explained the Lord had good reason, in Biblical times, to make mankind speak in different tongues when he decided to “go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other,” but when the United States government took the lead in progressing English into the official planetary language in 2030, it was only the final remnants of the once-strong Democratic Party that opposed the efficiency.
      “So if not everybody spoke the language of God,” asked teacher’s pet Andy Groethe from his front row desk, “is that why it took so long for us to show the world how much better our way of life is, and how the Loony Liberals managed to allow some of the European branch of the United States from joining the One Planet, One God initiative for so long?”
      The students at George W. Bush High School in the Milwaukee County suburban enclave of Whitefish Bay, Wisc., were born long after the Romney Revolution of the early 2020s, and its precursor Tea Party movement. Today was the most interested and actively engaged Mr. Knowles could recall his students being, with the lesson about primitive culture.
      “It wasn’t until President Romney truly introduced the country to Mormonism,” the leading strain of Christianity in the world ever since 2040, “that we, as a people, began fully embracing morals and ethics. There were people, around the turn of the millenium, who fervently believed the United States was not an entirely Christian nation chosen by God to lead the planet into enlightenment.”
      While these students found it unfathomable and abominable that the U.S. would ever supply military or financial aid to any non-Christian country, before the planetary unification known as “New Pangaea” was completed in 2061, their teacher encouraged them to carefully study the shocking history within their textbook, The United States of America; Jesus’ Ambition.
      Freshman Eric Dawkins, president of the all-White school’s White Leadership Council, pointed out the irony of the one-time Islamic extremists who actually worshipped and killed in the name of the false idol Allah.
      “In the polytheistic days that made Baby Jesus cry, there were these violent followers of a fake God, even though the Bible told us ‘You shall have no other gods before me,’ and they did all this bad stuff for their evil god. It would have been good stuff if they did it for Jesus, of course, but back then not everybody understood God like we do now. I guess that’s what happens when you’re so stupid and backwards that you can’t and won’t read an English Holy Bible, huh Mr. Knowles?”
      “Hmm ... What was the Quran, Mr. Knowles?” asked Molly Dimick.
      “Nothing you need to worry, about, Dear.”
      It wasn’t until after President Romney’s two terms, from 2021-2029, near the start of an unprecedented, and continuing, 70-year run of Republican control over the executive branch, that non-Christian religions including Islam and Judaism were officially eradicated from the Earth.
      “Way back in the dark ages, though, those so-called ‘Jews’ even had an official country of their own!?” asked a horrified freshman, Katie Klump. “Called ‘Israel,’ and most of them refused to read the New Testament before bed each night? Thank Jesus we ended that reign of sick terror.”
      Mr. Knowles agreed, explaining the nation of “Israel” existed for about a century, before the eventual termination of that country and religion, and the subsequent relocation of many Israeli citizens to Australian Christian Re-education Camps, under President Bristol Palin in 2050. Their history teacher also explained the legal system of the 20th century was equally primitive to the culture.
      “In fact,” he said, “in 1972 the United States Supreme Court declared infanticide absolutely legal, and millions upon millions of young children were executed by doctors in what they called ‘abortion.’ Back then, you would all be nine months younger; until the 30th Constitutional Amendment officially declared life to begin at conception, people didn’t start counting their age until after your physical birth.”
      Mr. Knowles’ students were appalled to hear that women who knew their lives would only be hurt by starting a family, still insisted on having pre-marital sex, often with men they did not intend to marry.
      “Wait a second!” interjected freshman class president Dee-Dee Gross. “Are you telling us that, back then, people who knew they weren’t gonna get married, they purposefully had intercourse? Did they not know how babies were made?”
      Mr. Knowles explained to the students that pre-marital sex was actually quite common in primitive cultures. Surely on History TV they had heard of “contraception,” a method for having intercourse but generally preventing pregnancy?
      “I heard of condoms, once,” said Jimmy Jolley from the rear of the classroom. “But those weren’t real, were they? You’d put a bag on your private part?”
      Mr. Knowles explained condoms weren’t bags, exactly, and they were quite common in the “dark ages,” before the conservative social and economic world revolution that essentially saved planet Earth.
      “Thank God for that,” preached Mr. Knowles, “because when Jesus returns, which our Christian Scientists are calculating to happen sometime in the next decade, just imagine how many people would be left behind if we didn’t live in an English-speaking, strictly Christian world.”
      “Amen,” the children agreed, in unison.
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    In Canada, we haven't gotten mail on Saturday since the early sixties. We call it "the weekend".

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