Theocracy

Discussion in 'Religion' started by StrangerInAStrangeLand, Jul 26, 2018.

  1. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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  3. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    I was wondering would it be right to call The Vatican a theocracy?
    www.catholic.com/qa/is-the-vatican-really-a-country
     
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  5. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Being that religious practice is freedom of choice, I don't believe any of the above could be enforced. Perhaps some day religion will consolidate into a singular practice, which might be a good or bad thing.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Many of the above are enforced in many places in the world. We even enforce some of them right here in the US. Women are forced to wear tops; men are not. Government employees are generally not allowed to work on the Sabbath, or on many religious holidays. Fortunately we are improving there.
     
  8. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not certain that women wearing tops is strictly religious dictate or a social norm. As for government employees, it's customary for government to shut down on weekends and holidays, but that doesn't prevent government employees from working elsewhere.
     
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    I reject the pretense. The social norm derives from religious dictates in any practical application. Abstraction has its place, but there really wasn't much logical or, as such, nonreligious, about having police officers measuring women's swimsuits for moral purposes pertaining to decency unless you are prepared to argue objectively that women need to remain sexually "modest" because men simply and evolutionarily cannot cope with the world if they aren't, and thus require particular special accommodation as if disabled.

    To be honest, I've learned over to try to dodge that ouroboros, because the way it works is that the one side (social moralists) makes an argument (e.g., Infinite Prevention Advocacy) which draws critique (e.g., feminist argument about the human rights problem of suspecting all men) that the one (social moralists) responds to by blaming the other (e.g., feminists) for the argument of the one (e.g, necessity of suspecting all men according to Infinite Prevention Advocacy).

    Trying to parse religious dictates from the social norms they cultivate is problematic at the outset; it would behoove us to consider the implications before tumbling down a history in which the social-moralist behavioral question is conduct of woman (e.g., what she wears or not) versus incompetence of man (e.g., inability to behave in functionally appropriate social manner, and when accounted on a case-by-case basis, regardless of what she wears or not).
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It's both, of course. Many religious edicts (no work on Sunday) become social norms (government offices close on Sunday.) Religious mores require women to "cover up" more than men; the degree of this varies among religions.
    Right; they just can't work at their primary job, because the government is enforcing a religious rule in places it can.
     
  11. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I must admit, this is the first time I have heard of an atheist complaining they can't go to work on a Sunday.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I haven't seen any atheist complain that they can't go to work on a Sunday. To whom were you referring?
     
  13. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    If you are not complaining about having Sunday off, it doesn't look like it.
     
  14. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    You habitually infer what is not there. I must wonder whether it is intentional.

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  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Your mindreading is a little off today. Perhaps if you reply to what I post, rather than to what you assume I am thinking, you would be able to reply more cogently.
     
  16. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So what is the atheist redress to the government enforcing the "religious rule" of not working on Sunday?
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know; I haven't heard of any. Have you?

    That was an example of government implementation of a religious rule, in response to a claim that that doesn't happen.
     
  18. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    2 + 2 = 4
    Now say I am complaining about that.

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  19. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Call it a secular holiday. And thank the labor movement for Saturday.
     
  20. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So if the current gov't wasn't so religiously inclined, people would work on sundays?
    Or do you think its the nature of secularism that it porously adapts religious tenets?
     
  21. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I guess the oppression of being prevented from working on a Sunday is perennial.
     
  22. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Or that patriarchal religions and the need for a day off arise from the same source.
     
  23. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Yet no one seems in the least interested to solve it by working on Sunday ...
     

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