Theocracy

Discussion in 'Religion' started by StrangerInAStrangeLand, Jul 26, 2018.

  1. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Trying to put your faults on others will not get you anywhere.

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  3. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    If I ever find myself eulogizing the genre of fiction for its innate skillful capacity to demonstrate reality, I shall certainly recall your wise counsel.
     
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  5. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    What the heck are you babbling on about?

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  7. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    If you've lost track, feel free to go back about 6 posts.
     
  8. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I have not lost track. You are babbling nonsense.

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  9. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    At the very least, you are doing a fine job of not returning to the points under discussion.
     
  10. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    YOU went off the track.
    I tried some to see what the heck is going on but it is no use with you.

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  11. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    .... feel free to take the lead
     
  12. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    It is a dead horse.

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  13. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Ok.
    So your horse is dead.
     
  14. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Actually the horse died on your lead. Interpret that anyway you will ...
     
  15. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Childish nonsense, trying to win points & needing the last word after I already left it to you.

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  16. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I gave you the lead to get the topic back on track, since you were complaining it was diverted. You took the opportunity to take a few more ad hom digs. At the very least, it's clear where your priorities lay.
     
  17. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    It is clear you cannot escape your fantasy.
    You do not give to or take any lead from me.
    Tho you did invite my interpretation of your silliness.
    You do not understand ad hominem. Look it up.

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  18. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    I'd say 'no', if we are thinking of something like the Iranian Islamic Republic.

    But the proper relationship between religion and state remains in flux in all of these countries, the US, UK, AU and CA.

    Of those, England currently comes closest to a literal theocracy. It's the only one with an officially established church with the monarch as its head, its bishops approved by the prime minister and the acts of the church's synod possess the force of acts of parliament.

    "On the advice of the Prime Minister The Queen appoints Archbishops, Bishops and Deans of the Church of England, who then swear an oath of allegiance and pay homage to HerMajesty. Church of England deacons and parish priests also swear an oath of allegiance to the Sovereign... The Synod meets twice annually in London or York to consider legislation for the good of the Church. The legislation is subject to Parliamentary veto and receives Royal Assent as Acts of Parliament..."

    https://www.royal.uk/queens-relationship-churches-england-and-scotland-and-other-faiths

    Theocracy is probably least likely in the USA, where the First Amendment of the United States Constitution forbids establishment of religion (European-style state churches as illustrated above) and where this has been interpreted by the courts in light of Thomas Jefferson's "Wall of Separation" between church and state.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause

    Canada and Australia would seem to fall somewhere in the middle, since they are younger countries that incorporate features of both British and American origin. Australia seems to follow a weaker version of the US model.

    "The Constitution of Australia prevents the Commonwealth from establishing any religion or requiring a religious test for any office... The language is derived from the United States' constitution, but has been altered. Following the usual practice of the High Court, it has been interpreted far more narrowly than the equivalent US sections and no law has ever been struck down for contravening the section. Today, the Commonwealth Government provides broad-based funding to religious schools and also funds school chaplains for public and private schools. All Australian parliaments are opened with a Christian prayer..."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_Australia

    Canada's policies on the matter are a totally confusing and not always consistent jumble, given Canada's French and British roots and the huge influence of the United States next door.

    http://www.davidanderson.ca/canadas-four-models-of-religion-state-relations/
     
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  19. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    It can, but it would be nice to acknowledge it as such. So people don't get the wrong idea. No one is an activist against Aesop's Fables for instance.
     
  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I can see how some think it is very unlikely. I cannot say it is likely.
    We seem to be making slow but steady progress in the other direction.
    I do think it could happen.
    Along with the people who want it, part of the problem is theists who do not want it yet can be conned into supporting things which could lead up to it.
    Anyone who supports someone only or mainly because they claim to be christian is part of the problem.

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  21. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for the classic hate speech.
    "Even if persons of a particular creed profess a clear disinterest in political redress, one should still treat them with caution, because that creed is inherently untrustworthy and likely to stab you in the back."
     
  22. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    It is not hate speech & you know it.

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  23. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    It appears that you are one who doesn't know it is.
     

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