Theistic Evolutionary Theory?

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Are you open to the possibility of some variation of Theistic Evolutionary Theory?

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  1. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    What if our Creator in a sense "evolved" or learned over infinite time in the past?

    What if our Creator is composed of fundamental or nearly fundamental energy as is postulated in String Theory?

    What if Adam and Eve were in a sense "invented" much like we humans may soon, (or perhaps already have invented), Artificial Intelligence?

    What if our Creator planned and choreographed an essentially infinite number of Big Bang type events over infinite time in the past, (although time is not quite the correct word because time cannot exist until the existence of space), but anyway..... this takes us off in a direction that has a lot of potential!
     
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  3. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    What kind of a plan might a Being composed of fundamental energy come up with
    after planning and choreographing an essentially infinite number of Big Bang type events over infinite time in the past?


    Perhaps a plan kind of like this:

    Near death experiencer Christian Andreason, chapter three.....

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

     
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  5. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    In the Jewish and Christian scriptures this is indicated in Ezekiel chapter thirty seven...
    Revelation chapter twenty....
    Romans chapters nine, ten and eleven......

    Time is not limited to being one straight line but instead will actually end up looking more like the roots and branches of a tree as new time lines are created
    that take a moment in time.....
    but then every human living at that moment is recreated exactly as they were....
    in the first time line.. .but then more of the Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh so that
    more and more and more and more of us are led to Salvation in these new time lines that actually
    fit with the new Multiverse Theory.....
    except that each time line gets better and better and better and better......
    and time lines in which worse and worse and worse decisions are made.... will not be permitted to occur!

    So this is Theistic Multiverse Theory.....
    not the Atheistic or Agnostic version of Multiverse.
     
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Is it?

    Don't think so

    That would be like this

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    Science does not insert miracle or god into formula

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  8. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    What I mean is that YHWH is the First Scientist......
    YHWH is the First Inventor......
    but we are biased against this idea because that would mean that YHWH INVENTED SCIENCE......
    and our being in the image of our Creator... .helps to explain how we got involved in scientific research.


    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
  9. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Benedict was shown
    what sure sounds like an organized.... .planned... Cyclic Model of the Universe / Multiverse?


    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

    This could remind us of chapter thirteen of Stephen Hawking's Universe entitled The Anthropic Principle in which he explains an Agnostic or Atheistic version of the Cyclic Model of the Universe.
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously? Surely such trivia is moot considering god would be the default first of everything?

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    But you would be amazed how Theists can find this simple concept highly offensive!
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    As per Stephen Fry would put it

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    So theist are free to winge and whine as much as they want

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  13. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    YOU GOT IT BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  14. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    One thing that God would not necessarily be the first at is
    going off into Selfishness.... Greed... the opposite of Humility .....
    Insecurity.... and feelings of Inferiority........????

    One near death experiencer was shown that Covering Cherub Halel who became Lucifer
    ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and he seems to have gotten off
    into some highly questionable psychological experiments apparently focused on his attempt to
    prove that he had a better plan than his Creator.

    It is interesting but all of Lucifer's attempts to mess things up.....
    may well be producing film footage that has eternal and essentially infinite value.....
    due to it being impossible to produce that type of footage under the type of conditions that would have
    existed if no type of FALL had occurred?!

    I really liked this explanation for EGO:

    Christian Andreason, near-death .com :

    Struggling against Ego... may be what makes all of us humans much stronger....
    much like lifting heavier weights produces more muscle mass??? On the plus side....
    we humans seem to learn more from some of our seemingly larger errors????
     
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    If a creator evolves, such is not an indication that his creation will do the same.
     
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  16. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    That is a good point....
    frankly.... I am of the opinion that an increase in HUMILITY plays an important role in the ushering in of a truly utopian era by the year 2185 or so?

    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a04

    I do believe that the majority of relatively HUMBLE human beings.....
    are now willing to INVITE our Creator to intervene in our affairs because the results of NOT having assistance from heaven in our affairs somehow.....
    is kind of scary. I have the impression that that invitation...... from fifty one percent of humans..... is an important part of the formula.
     
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    There's a good take away:

    "I'm offended by that!"

    "Well, so fucking what?"

    ..........................................................................................
    "If you think that that was offensive, wait a minute, I'm just getting warmed up."

    .................................
    Long ago, a Jewish friend of my beloved spouse claimed that I was antisemitic
    and I responded
    "I'm not antisemitic _ _ _ _ _ , it's just you that I don't like"
     
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    For the record.... I am actually really impressed with the way that the Moderators here take my discussions and somehow copy and paste them into a forum.....
    where the expectations on my ability to "prove" my assertions has been lowered.
    I am more used to being excommunicated, disfellowshipped, ostracized or banned in some form...... so this is kind of awesome in my opinion?!

    My all time record for getting myself kicked out of Christian churches is TWO in just over one month back in 1991.....
    so frankly.... the somewhat Atheistically inclined moderators on this forum are being much more relatively "merciful" than I have encountered in churches!!!!!
     
  19. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I just got back one of the best, if not the best response that I think I have ever received on this topic of some variation of Theistic Evolutionary Theory.

    What do you personally think of this response by The Traveller?

     
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    Here's what I think...

    I don't know what this "collapse" he is talking about is supposed to mean. The basic idea of the 11 dimensions is that four of them are the familiar dimensions of space and time, while the other seven are extra "rolled up" spatial dimensions.

    I'm having trouble parsing that sentence, too. It is an assumption of string theory that time is one of the dimensions, if I understand it correctly. It is not something that is to be proven. As for Einstein's theories, they are classical theories that treat time as continuous, whereas The Traveler is possibly (?) claiming the opposite about Einstein's theories. If that's the case, then The Traveler is wrong about that.

    At this point, The Traveler goes off into fantasy land, such that he's no longer talking about anything scientific.

    There is no "science and mathematics of a superior being", so it is a bit of a mystery about how The Traveler could possibly comment on any such thing in any authoritative way. The idea of a "lessor dimension" is similarly mysterious, and unexplained by The Traveler (it's also poorly spelled).

    Then he goes off into all the stuff about God, saying that God must have a physical body. If so, where is it? And what's all this about "necessity"? None of that has been demonstrated.

    Nothing he says there is remotely scientific.

    Here, The Traveler brings in his own biased perspective on God. It seems this guy is a Christian, of sorts. Anyway, for whatever reason, The Traveler is keen to draw a spurious connection between the "science" he invented previously and "scripture".

    I don't see any relevance in that last paragraph.
     
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  21. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I should let you know that The Traveller is a Latter day Saint who I met through a discussion forum ran by Latter day Saints.

    I quote him in post number three on this page:

    https://thirdhour.org/forums/topic/...kiel-37-and-the-white-throne-judgment/?page=3
     

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