"The Wise and God". A dialogue. A reflection...

Discussion in 'Religion' started by teroko, Apr 6, 2020.

  1. teroko Registered Member

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    THE WISE AND GOD

    _ Wise, about life… Too much bad things happen…

    _ Seems this is a wrong kind of life. Our World seems to be fortuitous. Is not as it was supposed a World and life would be. The things are not as they should be.

    _ Wise, God created the Universe, how would exist something wrong?

    _ God could have own troubles...

    _ But God would have all power to solve anything... What would be missing to solve the things?

    _ Nobody knows God's situation. There's no way to communicate with God. Who knows...

    _ Nothing that could be done about...

    _ One thing is true, if there is a God with a creation he must have a way to perceive it, may be through our own eyes and ears. So God could observe us and may be someone could imagine something useful for God to solve the things. Every thing we could solve here could help God solve something there. May be God could guide our intuition to something...
    Just maybe... May be also could be just a matter of time...


    That's what I think...
     
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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Who knows, if God is an invention you can give him any attribute you wish.
    If God is real he must be real shy.
    Alex
     
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  5. teroko Registered Member

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    I think this leave us to the first post. God could have troubles…
    And the solution could come trough:
    "One thing is true, if there is a God with a creation he must have a way to perceive it, may be through our own eyes and ears. So God could observe us and may be someone could imagine something useful for God to solve the things. Every thing we could solve here could help God solve something there. May be God could guide our intuition to something..."
     
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  7. teroko Registered Member

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    I believe in Descartes' rationalism and the body/mind dualism. Body and mind two separated things...
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe is pure speculation and your speculation is driven by your belief.

    When you invoke maybe the possibities are without limit yet your limit is imposed by your belief.

    Maybe the universe had no start and maybe there is no creator or maybe we are just in a dream...maybe is useless.

    Why speculate when nothing can come from just guessing?

    Maybe there is a God and he hates humans evidenced by the large number of un necessary deaths in war, via disease, by natural disaster by any number of things..the inequity of existence points more to either a non existent God or a God who either hates humans or does not care.

    Why are those maybes not in your list of supposition?

    You believe there is a God fine but unless you can support your claim you engage in speculation ...guess work does not cut it.

    Alex
     
  9. teroko Registered Member

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    Rigth of course.
    Why not?
    I considered them but discarded…

    By the way, speculation is the working method in rationalism I think. Speculating until finding the right thing...
     
  10. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    The guidance is already there in scriptures.
    But is it what we want to hear?
     
  11. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Do you believe in God?
     
  12. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    That is the way it seems so to propose anything different we need something that suggests otherwise...what have you got?

    Alex
     
  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What is the proposition?
     
  14. teroko Registered Member

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    Of course. Is the motive of this thread. But I'm not religious. More likely related to Deism...
     
  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Because it takes you nowhere really.

    I can speculate about there being inteligent species on other planets but irrespective of the notions arrived at from my speculation the fact remains we do not know.
    You can speculate about God until the cows come home but the honest conclusion can only be ..you do not know.

    Alex
     
  16. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    The ones we are talking about.
    Alex
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why only limit yourself to Deism, if you are making enquires about the mind of God?
     
  18. teroko Registered Member

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    I took a look in some religions. The Bible for instance. I finally considered them wrong tales about God...
     
  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    None of those propositions propose we are purely material beings. Are you suggesting we may not be purely material beings? Or we are, based on a proposition? If the latter. Which proposition would that be?
     
  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    From name echo...
    Teroko Name Meaning: What Makes It Special
    The name Teroko conjures spirituality, straightforwardness and fervour.


    Letter Analysis
    TUnder the drive of helping everyone, people whose names start with 'T' will ask a lot from those dear but will also be very involved with their needs.
    EThe letter E conveys enthusiasm and liveliness, an existence that is lived with no regrets.
    RThe letter R indicates that one is very sensitive and is inclined to demonstrate, in most situations, a predominantly emotional rather than rational position.
    OThe letter O has the same intensity as the number 6, which is a symbol of selflessness, dignity and a lot of nurturing towards others.
    KAccepting that one doesn't have control over everything is an example of a life principle that has a great significance for 'K'.
    OThe 'O' may be at disadvantage because of their tendency to protest anything and to make negative assumptions.
     
  21. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How did you come to that conclusion?
     
  22. teroko Registered Member

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    Made me smile, thanks!
    I only disagree in that I consider myself very rational.
     
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  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I covered that in an early post...19

    Alex
     

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