# The USA is no place to raise a child.

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by TimeTraveler, May 2, 2009.

1. ### TimeTravelerImmortalistRegistered Senior Member

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For most of the underprivileged kids who drop out, or for the kids who hate school, it's true. A lot of kids would be better off being home schooled. Those two columbine kids should have been home schooled. The kid who committed suicide after being bullied should have been home schooled. Probably all of the kids diagnosed with ADHD should be home schooled. And if your school has metal detectors, you are better off being home schooled.

Public school is not for every kid. It might have benefited you to go to public school but its not benefiting the majority of kids when the amount of kids graduating from high school is hovering around 50% and the amount of kids who go to college is around 20-30% and the amount who graduate in 6 years is even less than that.

Also if you want to teach your kids values, theres church.

This is why I advocate that we bring back guilds. The teacher should be a life long mentor. When you say education is not highly valued thats because those people are not highly valued by society, so they don't value what society offers them. The only way to change this is to change the equation because right now education = debt, rather than education = success. Right now our society is all about making money, quality, pride, honor, none of these things matter anymore.

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3. ### AerikaRegistered Senior Member

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Both of your assumptions are wrong. I grew up in a community that is a bit diverse but it's largely made up of middle to lower-upper class. The public school system in that community has four high schools which are fairly well funded. Most of the students in my high school were middle class or upper middle class.

Interesting enough you have validated a couple of my points in this thread.

You have painted a picture of a school that is extremely bad. Are you suggesting that there were no text books or no library in the school? And it's very difficult for me to believe that every single teacher you were assigned in a public school taught you nothing.

But even if I concede the point that your school and teachers were that bad. It hasn't proven anything about the American school system or the ability to get an education in America. At most, it's proven you went to a horrid school. Because despite your poor school, you admitted your were able to educate yourself in America using libraries and the Internet. You went on to say, "I went to college".

But more to the point, anecdotal evidence isn't considered credible. I cannot verify or challenge the claims about your school. And I know there are schools in this country underfunded but you've painted a picture that suggests your school did nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

I'd love to see a survey that shows the percentage of students that graduate from college broken down by social class but I cannot find one, perhaps you can provide some links.

But if I concede the point that only 5 percent of students from lower class are able to graduate college, it begs the question, what made them succeed?

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5. ### Oniw17ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum?Valued Senior Member

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I know three prime contractors who do splicing for cable tv and make that much, and they claim just about every thing they buy(personal or for work) on their taxes, so they have more disposable income than a lawyer who makes just as much. And I know someone who used to make that much making floors with crazy designs using different types of wood until some stuff happened and that fell through.

20. ### TimeTravelerImmortalistRegistered Senior Member

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Thats because I've been around more kinds people than you have. Adults such as yourself forced me to be around lots of people, as a result I've found out that most people are shallow, materialist, selfish, and cruel. It's people with attitudes such as yours that caused me to dislike human nature, mainly because I've seen so much of it. How are all these people you spend your time with useful? Why do you care to spend your life with useless people?

The problem with forcing people to be around each other is there is no filter. The worst and best of people play together as kids, the only thing the best people learn is to hate or avoid the worst people, and the worst people learn to hate themselves and everyone else. Nobody really benefits. And we aren't the borg, not all of us have a desire to fit in, and I despise that about society. Some kids are better off being homeschooled, and it should be up to the kid not up to adults who dont understand the nature of the kid.

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21. ### CutsieMarie89ZenRegistered Senior Member

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I don't know what makes you so certain you've been around more people than I have, but you're quite the jilted character. The only way you could protect yourself from such horrid people is to lock yourself in your house and never leave from birth to death. Having to deal with all kinds of people as a child I think makes you more tolerant and capable as an adult. You know the personality types you don't get along with and the kinds you do and how to deal with a disagreement. With you and some others as an exception, humans are social creatures. So knowing the rules of social engagement are important for everyone who wishes to function well in society. If my kid had problems functioning at school for whatever reason or had a valid reason for not wanting to go to school anymore, then of course I'd hire a private teacher for them, but that's only after school didn't work out. If my kids want to socially reclusive than that's their business, but it won't be because I never let them see the light of day.

22. ### Mrs.LucysnowValued Senior Member

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How can a child decide to be home-schooled? I mean what if they live in a one parent home where the adult has to work? What if they live in a two parent home and the parents have to work? What if the parents don't have the education to school their children or to tutor them? It quite a presumption to think that all parents are not aware nor understand the nature of their own children.

I'm glad I have had the opportunity to know some wonderful people, kind and interesting people so I don't have to go through life thinking the world is full of cruel, selfish, horrid people. Its a shame, basically you don't see any value in the other members of your community or society.

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23. ### TimeTravelerImmortalistRegistered Senior Member

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It's not that I've been around a greater quantity of people, I'm claiming that I've been around a much more diverse group of personality types. I've been around good and ugly people, and I've even been around some evil people. The good and evil people are equally rare, the ugly people are the majority.

I'm less tolerant. I now know exactly what kinds of people I dislike and wont tolerate. I know what kinds of people I like being nice to, and what kinds of people I like being mean to. Yes I'm better at dealing with people, I'm also better at manipulation, and I'm more jaded. I don't get pleasure from dealing with most people because most people are a chore to deal with.

This would be fine if the people you get along with far outnumbers the people you don't get along with. This would be fine if the majority of people were friendly, or the majority of people were worth the effort, but the truth is the majority of people aren't worth much and you know exactly what I'm talking about if you've been around as many types of people as me.

Okay thats fine. I'm only asking for parents such as yourself to respect the autonomy and human rights of the children. Some children are very unhappy in school because they go to a school filled with shitty people and teachers who arent teaching them anything. Why waste their time? Why force them to be miserable? Then they learn to hate learning and probably will drop out.

I'm not saying its not important to learn these lessons, I'm simply saying that these lessons are not easy lessons to learn and some kids never recover. You have some kids who learn to identify good and evil, and who become street smart really fast, and you have other kids who become naive adults who never in their life learn to distinguish between the different kinds of people. All I'm claiming is that they don't have to learn this in school, they can learn this at home, at church, or any place. I do think people need to be taught not only how to identify the good and evil in any particular room or setting, but they also need to develop a different set of strategies for dealing with each. What works on good people wont be what works on evil people. So you can never really teach any sorta social rules which apply to all people, only rules which apply to the different kinds of people.

Like how to deal with a good person who is shy and who has trouble making friends, there are some rules about that. But there are also rules on how to deal with the neighborhood bully, or the drug abuser crowd, or the jocks, etc.