The Universe

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by The God, May 1, 2017.

  1. The God Valued Senior Member

    There are disagreements about the very concept of singularity.

    Suppose you are approaching 1/x from x = 0+ and moving towards x = 0-, what happens? You encounter a discontinuity that is suddenly from + infinity you move over to - infinity. That's the discontinuity singularity creates. Thus comes the brlliant stroke aka worm hole! You see seeds of disagreement?

    Big Bang Cosmology does not say "infinite at the beginning". That appears to be your alternative take.
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    IMO, a timeless condition has no age. Time began @ t = 0, the beginning of this universe, which has physical properties. What came before is strictly speculative. Their may not have been a physical "before" of any kind, which would make any measurement impossible. How do you assign time or value to a latent Potential?
    Just a thought.
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  5. The God Valued Senior Member

    If you are considering the state before t = 0 as latent, then thats meaningless.

    After t = 0, any state, latent or otherwise, will have lapsed time as per the normal flow of time.
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    I said "latent potentials"
    IMO, the question is if time other than as a by-product of chronological progressions, patterns, exists at all

    Time is a human symbolism for measuring the duration of regularly occurring events events *relative* to human known patterns , such as 24 hr day/night pattern, which we symbolized this as Time (with several inconsistent interpretations).

    I can not logically get past the concept of (t - 1), IOW, there was a time which started in infinite time before there was even the symbolic representation of t = 0..??
    Was there a count-down to the Beginning..??? A race to the beginning of the race?

    The accepted beginning of this universe (all that we know) was through a chaotic process of "inflation, where everything happened at the same time in the same place, caused by a hypermega quantum event that resonated at waveengths, some of which we can no longer detect. It is curios that the longest wavelengths are missing, which would indicate an origially small object emitting an incalculable amount of energy in the form of wave functions accreting mass and gradually extend the band width of its chemical signatures and of course Gamma and EM and longer radiowaves.

    Regardless , previous to the BB event of creating t = 0 in THIS universe, it leads logically to a timeless permittive conditions where logical abstractions of the mathematical inherent but latent extant probabilistic potentials, by which the universe and universal laws brought us physicically if not spirituallly theoretically explanations of Motive.Potentials have no limitations and can exist as a latent force in say a race car driving at 30 MPH leaves alot of potential power latent in that engine.

    This stuff did not exist before the BB, at any given instant of time (the inflationary epoch). But as soon as the stuff was created the mathematical spacetime fabric and functions have been in a process of ordering the often recurring patterns we see and formulae we can translate them in of the newly created elementals, leading to the beautiful pattern of the Periodic Table . All this evolved from that single event some 13.7 billion years ago.
    Last edited: May 7, 2017
  8. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

    Big Bang Theory applies to Observable Universe. Infinite applies to The Universe. OU not infinite. TU could be, we don't know.
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    Tes, and isn't it.?

    Question: If it were t = 0, that would mean there is no observable (mesurable) change and the concept of physical existence is moot.

    According to David Bohm, t = 0 can also mean that there is a zero state balance between latent (not yet expressed) potentials), according to Bohm. Implicates form within this state of pure potential, which are then expressed in reality as physical phenomena. A probabilistic function.

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