The Trump Presidency

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  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    As an aside:
    latest phenomena mention of :
    fire balls ( meteorite ) witnessed, up 30%+ since 2012 - reason.. science really has no idea.
    High altitude ( 300 ks) Gas type flare/ribbon witnessed with temps up to 3000 deg Celsius on numerous recent occasions over Northern latitudes... Science has no real idea. Detection confirmed and tested.

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    www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-24/new-light-phenomenon-called-steve-by-aurora-watchers/8466234

    so there is a lot more happening than just oceanic warming, permafrost melting, arctic sea ice a melting.. etc... a lot more...
    either way Trumps is the go... GO Trump Go trump yeh yeh yeh!!!!!
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    It does

    Frank Luntz

    It’s time for us to start talking about “climate change” instead of global warming and “conservation” instead of preservation.1) “Climate change” is less frightening than “global warming”. As one focus group participant noted, climate change “sounds like you’re going from Pittsburgh to Fort Lauderdale.” While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge.

    So my post was correct???

    So unsound???

    And other predictions?

    Sound?

    Unsound either way worse or better?

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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And yet your internet connection works.
    You left out the part about your claim being wingnut political spin intended to deceive Republican voters.

    You presented the adoption of "climate change" in the mass media it as if it were a disingenuous term adopted by AGW promulgators to conceal their lack of scientific integrity and basis in sound research and solid application of standard theory. Instead, it was political spin vocabulary adopted by AGW deniers to conceal the alarming nature of the situation we face as a consequence of boosting CO2 levels in the air.
    Your post was idiotically false, an expression of what has been called for good reason "the dumbest of the climate change denials". (Its major competition being the claim that cold weather somewhere disproves claims of global warming)
    No.

    Not unsound. Underestimates. They predicted the most likely value of a range they calculated from research and theory, and events came in on one extreme rather than the conservative middle value. That happens all the time in every science.

    They correctly calculated the direction and type of change (Greenland ice would begin and continue melting), and the range of possible values (pretty rapid, geologically speaking. Not like the past). They have made thousands of such estimates, and their track record is one of conservative, low-ball, prudent, and given that bias largely accurate estimates.

    And in coming in on the high side, the actual events strengthened their alarmist warnings - their notification of the implications of the high side of their range of possibilities was the most alarming aspect of their research and analysis, and this aspect has been strengthened.

    Which brings us around to Trump's defunding of their research and analysis - by the same Party that tried to hide behind tweaking the vocabulary of the public discussion of that research and the findings of that analysis.
     
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    You MIGHT / COULD be right IF
    • I was American
    • Knew something about the people you are talking about
    • All my thoughts were consumed by Conspiracy
    • AND I gave a Cowpat about the politics of America
    Living in a real world I call it as I see it

    How would I spell UNDERESTIMATES?

    How about UNSOUND?

    See above how to make

    a Scientific

    calculated

    state of the art

    well informed

    educated

    unsound

    guess

    Oh sorry the tiles are not falling from the ceiling

    The ceiling is falling WITH the tiles

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  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Irrelevant. None of that stuff affects your being wrong exactly as described. You are posting one of the dumbest of all AGW denials, and not knowing where it came from doesn't help you - especially when you speculate on that very matter.
    You would then be wrong, instead of right.
    Exactly as every other science produces, in the same way, bringing you the internet you are currently spamming with goof.

    And further deflecting, with my help to be sure, the thread - Trump's defunding of climate science, and all other environmental sciences, is taken out of the spotlight and defended by such goof.
     
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  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Then

    standing centre stage in the spotlight taking a bow

    my job is done

    I understood that the thread was about

    The Trump Presidency

    not

    But what would this

    know

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  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You deceptively edited every quote there, without indication - misrepresenting my post not to illustrate anything, but to allow you to pretend to have been merely trolling, instead of actually AGW denying.

    Which brings us to the matter of Trump's proposed cutbacks on non-military science funding - one of the most far-reaching of his actions to date, and being favorably considered in the Republican Congress. It gets its favorable consideration partly because of its effects on exactly those centers of government research that are likely to make trouble for large corporate interests - climate change, public health problems, the effects of more extreme income inequality, the consequences of various tax policies, the risks of deregulation in certain industries, etc.

    This science budget has attracted support from AGW deniers in particular - an avenue of rapprochement between Trump and the somewhat bruised Republican House.
     
  11. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    What are you doing Michael 345? I mean for real, what is this?

    Do you really not believe that human activity is a significant contributor to AGW / Climate Change / Global Warming / Killing the Planet?
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    If you contend the above so be it

    I would remind all who read ANY thread taking out sections of a post to comment on that section concentrates focus on that section

    I find it strange when someone makes what is clearly a comment without having a orange attachment

    I also remind others if you feel the orange attachment has been manipulated (I am not posting edited)

    THE ORIGINAL IS STILL AVAILABLE FOR READING

    If you feel the poster has cherry picked a post

    go to the post and cherry pick same sections for rebuttal

    To keep on thread I have made the point elsewhere many in Australia would take Trump over our current Prime Minister and we would also throw in his female deputy if Trumps wife came as a package

    You could also do a deal for our current Prime Ministers predecessor Tony if you sweeten the deal with $2

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  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I would put myself more as a fence sitter

    I also have looked at the past and noted Earth has had Ice Ages as well as Tropical Eons

    when no human activity was present

    Ummmm how did the Earth heat up again with no pesky humans driving cars and working in factories?

    How did the Earth cool down again to move into another Ice Age?

    I would also draw focus to Earth is not a closed system

    To heat up more heat must be applied to the Earth system than excapes to space

    Also more must excape to cool down

    A shonky balance is reached when no more application of heat works because extra heat applied pushes out more heat into space

    That's why you don't see greenhouses bursting into flames

    Back to Trump Presidency

    Do we have a deal?

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  14. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Paris Accord. 12/2015

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    195 members have signed, 143 have ratified and agreement that is going to cost their nations big time, causing significant sacrifice all in the name of AGW and the threat associated.

    Do you think they would be stupid enough to agree to making such hardship if they were not very confident that the need was real and imminent?
    Are 195 professional statesmen and women with all their political support blindly signing up to a PR stunt?
    Then along comes Trump who can not even spell "unpresedented" properly and with out any real understanding of the issue, denying all the obvious evidence and decides with out bothering to find out, to call all those 195 professional statesmen idiots?

    Michael 345
    Are they all idiots?

    Also speaking of idiocy how do you feel about the recent news that Trump wants to brief the US senate on the North Korean issue?
    More fence sitting perhaps?
     
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  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    There is a thread on this form attempting to deal specifically with exactly this form of denial.

    What's happening now is different from past warmings. You do see greenhouses heat up. And so forth. None of that makes any sense as a refutation or criticism of current climate research and analysis.

    You are pretending to be a fence sitter: there is no such fence. You are, by asking such questions as if they were genuine inquiry, simply denying the facts of the matter as they have appeared in front of you and all around you - you pretend the common reality of physical and historical circumstance, the unfenced meadow all around you, does not exist.

    And as noted: this rejection of reality in de fence of myth is a major source of political support for Trump - he can pander to it by doing harm to many good things, beginning with climate research in this case. He can easily break what took decades to build, and will take decades to build again.
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I would not be surprised that if you took a survey of Trump core supporters you would find most if not all are AGW deniers...
     
  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Do you think I think politicians are stupid? YES

    while being political? YES

    make encyclopaedia size promises? YES

    but deliver postit note size results? YES

    I don't know

    Never seen any evidence either way

    I do know they are politicians

    I know politicians make stupid political decisions based on keeping their political jobs

    Up to you to make your own mind up about the wisdom of the group thinking

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  18. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    as Trump has proved many times over... true...

    Trump is political!

    Trump makes huge promises!

    Yep ... that's Trump again....


    yep that is certain...

    Never looked have you...

    Yep well at least Trump is...

    Gosh you have Trump down to a capital "T"



    So why do you think that Trump AGW denial is any different as a position than any politicians?
    Is it because you agree with him. Is that what makes him legitimate and not dare I say, a politician?
    Are you denying that Trump is a politician?
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    More observed

    Show where I posted such please

    I will leave that conundrum to the Americans

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  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Trump is now refusing to cooperate with the congressional investigation. It's getting more and more interesting. What is next? Why has Trump refused to provide Congress documents they requested. What is Trump hiding? I'd say that's obstruction of justice. That's an impeachable offense.
     
  21. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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  22. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Some very important words for all of us, especially our right wing brothers and sisters:

     
  23. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Some more words of wisdom couched in a little humor:

     
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