The Trump Presidency

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  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    But might makes right!

    Heck, if I was in power there'd be Dyson Spheres all over the place!

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  3. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    If Trump lose the election then at noon 20 January he has no authority over the military.
    He will be removed from the White House and has no say in it.
     
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  5. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Does the popular vote mean anything anymore? Republicans have lost the popular vote seven out of the last eight elections since 1992, yet have managed to steal the Presidency due to the Electoral College. It looks like Trump will be leading the Republican party to the lowest number of popular votes in the parties history and still plans to steal the Presidency once again.

    This actually shows that most folks DO NOT want the Republican party in power and have not wanted them in power for a long time. Clearly, if this is the way the Republican party can get into power, it's little wonder why the party is so corrupt, let alone that many of the party members are bat shit crazy and could care less about anyone else but themselves.

    The god botherers are in their heyday and they want a fight, and we know they fight dirty, no holds barred, no mercy and no prisoners taken. They have no morals or ethics, no compassion or empathy, no vision for the future (other than religious Armageddon) and no ability or capacity for reasonable or rational thought.

    It is thought that some serious reform is required, perhaps amendments to the Constitution, but the Republicans will never let that happen as long as they have any say in the matter as it's pretty much the only way they can grapple for power. Deceit and dishonesty are their methods and they now know (because of Trump) that they can be as corrupt as they want and no one can do anything about it.
     
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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Letter from The New England Journal of Medicine, ranked first of 153 journals:

    "Covid-19 has created a crisis throughout the world. This crisis has produced a test of leadership. With no good options to combat a novel pathogen, countries were forced to make hard choices about how to respond. Here in the United States, our leaders have failed that test. They have taken a crisis and turned it into a tragedy.

    The magnitude of this failure is astonishing.

    Anyone else who recklessly squandered lives and money in this way would be suffering legal consequences. Our leaders have largely claimed immunity for their actions. But this election gives us the power to render judgment. Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs."

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812
     
  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    The Supreme Court now has 7 Catholics and 2 Jews.

    The religious unaffiliated (according to Pew RC) "Nones" in the US is 22.8%; Atheist 3.1%, Agnostic 4.0% and Nothing in Particular 15.7%

    These are the Americans that have little if any voice in the Supreme Court Justice.

    And, all we hear is the constant screeching from the right about how hard done by they are and how they are forced to fight for their rights and stand up to have their voices heard.
     
  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    And THE LAW is held to be non discriminatory????

    Ya right

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  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The military wouldn't be necessary. I assume the Secret Service would remove him at the behest of the new duly elected President.
     
  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I am reminded yet again that when Trump was elected I posted that he may very well bring about the destruction of the Republican party due to his narcissistic incompetence.
    It looks like he is on track in doing just that...
    I do not believe he was ever tested as positive for Covid and that it was all a strategy he needed for his campaigning.
     
  12. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    It was never supposed to mean something. The US was designed as a union of states, so that the power of the central institutions is give to it by the states. It is quite typical, and, moreover, reasonable to give the small participants in unions more power than their part of the population. Quite a long time every single state of the EU was able to veto many EU decisions, giving an extraordinary power to the people of Luxembourg. So what? Such is political life. You have to follow the laws, and once the laws don't say the popular vote means something, it means nothing.

    I would recommend you, if you don't like that constitution, throw it away and let BLM write a new constitution.
     
  13. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    In the U.S. presidential election system, instead of the nationwide popular vote determining the outcome of the election, the president of the United States is determined by votes cast by electors of the Electoral College. Alternatively, if no candidate receives an absolute majority of electoral votes, the election is determined by the House of Representatives. These procedures are governed by the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution. It is important to note that the U.S. Constitution does not require states to even hold a popular vote. The legislature of a state could assign electors without regard to the popular vote or if no popular vote was conducted.

    When American voters cast ballots in a general presidential election, they are choosing electors and telling them which candidate they think their state’s electors should support.
     
  14. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Since Biden claims to be a “proud Catholic”, wouldn’t he be (somewhat?) enthusiastic that the majority of SC judges are Catholic?

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  15. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I think that would depend on whether or not Biden was as selfish, arrogant and intolerant of other non-Catholics as the current round of Trump supporters who really, really really hate the rest of us.
     
  16. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Well, it might also depend on if he’s willing to ignore his spiritual beliefs for the sake of politics.
     
  17. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I believe that is the entire point of politics if the church and state have been separated. Unfortunately, that's not the case for Trump supporters who believe God (Trump) should be completely in control of everything.

    I'm sure you can see the problem with that considering there are many denominations all having their own interpretations such that they can't even agree on that. Can you imagine the holy wars that would break out if we allowed folks to bring their spiritual beliefs to the political table?
     
  18. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I don’t disagree ^ but I want to believe that the SC judges will follow the laws and constitution, and the separation of church and state will remain. But, my point is that if Biden claims to be a devout Catholic, he can’t really find fault with those who sit on the SC for being devout Catholics, as well.
     
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  19. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    We already know some of the SC judges are incapable of removing their religious beliefs from their decisions and they vote accordingly. Even recently, the conservative side voted in favor of funneling public money to religious schools, voted to allow the right for employers to discriminate based on their religious beliefs, a couple of very disturbing examples. With another hard core conservative on the bill, we will all be falling prey to Catholic religious beliefs rather than seculars laws.

    Biden understands this and is appalled at their behavior for not separating their beliefs from the state.
     
  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    It is emerging at this time that the anonymous author of this NYT piece from 2018 is Miles Taylor, also recently infamous for his role in the Trump administration's poor treatment of migrant children.
     
  21. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    One of the things you usually find in a fascist playbook is the inversion of meaning.

    The Nazis did this with a symbol from Asia, the swastika, a symbol of peace until they inverted the meaning of that word. Like "work makes you free" above the gates of Auschwitz. But that's just two examples.

    Trump is going with the inversion of what "we're ok" means, to the people who attend his rallies, or who drive around waving guns and Confederate flags, maybe the odd swastika. The phrase "you can get a test" now means "don't get tested and you'll be ok, you don't need one". Up against which, we need to somehow rationally connect that to an increase in people going to hospitals who can't breathe ok. The testing is done after they arrive with an infection; because rationally, cases are on the up, not because the testing is; here, putting the cart before the horse still looks like it's the wrong way.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If we have a 100% infection rate, but only test 25% of the population does that mean only

    25% of the people are infected?

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  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    (rephrase)
    Are they (the non-credible) saying that this guy now lacks credibility?
     
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