About what Putin has said on the press conference 4 days ago? LOL. Looks like left-libertarians, who have problems with the private property, want to gain the word "libertarian" for themselves. What I name "libertarian" is what is described in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism_in_the_United_States which mentions only for completeness that "libertarian socialist intellectuals Noam Chomsky, Colin Ward and others argue that the term "libertarianism" is considered a synonym for social anarchism by the international community and that the United States is unique in widely associating it with free-market ideology." I have not seen something similar, at least in Germany libertarian is used as an anglicism with the American pro-free-marked meaning. A complete lie. How to organize legitimate coercion (for the defense of property from criminals) is one of the problems often discussed, with different solutions proposed, say, by minarchists and those who prefer private security firms. And this from people who think if the State goes away property will disappear. Nonsense. Volitional contracts may be based on fraud and deception, but if that is found out, it invalidates the contract in common law. So, these are exceptions, not the rule. Contracts made with coercion are not contracts at all. To redefine coercion in such a way that every volitional contract becomes coercion is a known Marxist technique: Once all volitional contracts become "coercion", there is no longer a difference between volitional contracts and coercion, so that one is free to use coercion if one likes - it makes no difference. The same trick as defaming liberal democracy "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie" - the "dictatorship of the proletariat" they created did not have to give the citizens any liberties at all. They know, and a lot more than Americans about what is going on in Russia. BTW, I don't understand: You think that something important has happened in Helsinki? Explain. The arguments here have been about Trump talking nonsense without caring about this, but this was known to Russians from the time of the election campaign. I have tried hard to understand what the fuss is really about, but, say, https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/1...e-in-helsinki-intelligence-nato-putin-baltic/ only supports the point that they go nuts about nothing. No, I simply repeated, just for clarification, a triviality. And the question, if somebody cares about being moral, is something very different from the particular moral discussed itself, which was discussed.