The Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    But this is the point: Flood the market with bad information.

    Really, American politics aren't too different from a discussion board, these days. It's just like the half-witted, lazy idiots we have around here; the point isn't to actually have a discussion, but to seed for search engine optimization. Normalization is the goal. One of the ways to do that is saturation and permeation; just scrawl it on every wall, shout it from every street corner, and piss it in every breakfast bowl.

    At some point, people need to start answering for their apparently utterly uneducated presuppositions. We all watched the Benghazi probe; we heard the House Majority Leader boast it was a fraud. We all saw the House GOP stunts poodling for Trump.

    (I'm uncertain what to say to the prospect that Rex Tillerson was a rational voice; Putin's friend spent none of the State Department's funds for responding to the election debacle, publicly proclaiming Americans just aren't up to the task.)
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    I kind of agree with this - the firing of John McEntee is as indicative and suggestive as the firing of Tillerson. Not because he's yet another example of the fact that nobody allowed near Trump for any length of time is uncorrupted - proximity to Trump is by now within reason probable cause for a search warrant or a wiretap - but because that guy is very well informed to be cut loose and left unprotected. That looks like a real sign that Trump has lost some power here:
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    Reading through all the various reports it appears that immediately after Tillerson was reported as agreeing with the UK assessment that the chemical nerve agent used in the UK attack was of Russian origin he is forced to leave the administration.
    Essentially meaning that any one who condemns Russian actions in the Trump administration is quickly removed.
    So beggars the question:
    Does Trump require a Russian neutral or Russian sympathy for someone in his administration to maintain his favor?

    Likely answer: yes!

    Scary implications:

    Would Trump launch a retaliatory nuke strike if Russia launched a first strike against the USA or would he go on and play golf while watching mushroom clouds spring up every where.
    Has the USA no longer, a nuke deterrent against Russia?
    Has the MAD doctrine finally been circumvented?
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    I admit I'm waiting to see how it works that McEntee was so dangerous he had to be escorted out without his jacket, whereupon he went to his new job on the President's re-election campaign.
  8. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    Oh I see!

    Rex Tillerson, a man with a distinguished career at Exxon for over 40 years (1975-2017) who worked his arse off to cover for a deplorable Trump administration foreign policy position gets sacked by TWEET!
    Australian foreign affairs minister Bishop knew of the sacking before Tillerson did.!

    When analyzing the video footage of Tillersons departure/transition speech one gets the distinct impression that he is in incredible despair for the future of the USA. From a man of Tillersons standing this is most troubling.

    I am just amazed that a Tweet can be used by a POTUS as an instrument for sacking someone...

    His replacement has no hope in hell of holding his position nor has any one else in the administration. ( nothing new there hey?)
    Working for Trump means just one thing - career suicide.
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    The thing about wellbeing, as a measure, is that Trump can affect it quickly - in economic measures he's been coasting on the residue of eight years of competent executive management, and as with all Presidents we'll see the economic effects of his management beginning to kick in during his second year, but wellbeing - that has several more immediate aspects and influences.

    And so:
    Trump has to protect that guy somehow.
  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Trump is now an SJW: denies reality because of "feelings" ... oh and openly admits to making shit up.

    He continued: "I said, 'Wrong, Justin, you do.' I didn't even know. ... I had no idea. I just said, 'You're wrong,'" Trump recalled. "You know why? Because we're so stupid. ... And I thought they were smart. I said, 'You're wrong, Justin.' He said, 'Nope, we have no trade deficit.' I said, 'Well, in that case, I feel differently,' I said, 'but I don't believe it.'"

    According to figures provided by the Commerce Department, the US ran a $2.77 billion surplus with Canada for 2017. That figure includes oil and timber. It's unclear what Trump was referring to with the $17 billion figure.
    Trump doubled down on his claim Thursday morning.

    "We do have a Trade Deficit with Canada, as we do with almost all countries (some of them massive). P.M. Justin Trudeau of Canada, a very good guy, doesn't like saying that Canada has a Surplus vs. the U.S.(negotiating), but they do...they almost all do...and that's how I know!" he tweeted.


    It is one thing to be a chronic liar, it is another to openly admit it.
  11. Vociferous Registered Senior Member

    Free time is a limited resource for most people, yet they, including teachers, already volunteer their own time to get concealed carry training. Volunteers make up their own mind which alternatives they wish to sacrifice for others. Pointing out that fact doesn't change the reality that they do.
    Your claim, your burden.
    Oh, I see where you're confused. You seem to think that clearance on inauguration day is mutually exclusive with a presidential clearance waiver.

    So what’s involved in getting a security clearance? Do Trump’s close family members even qualify?

    "As president-elect, he does get to bring whom he wishes to the transition table," Christopher Burgess, CEO of the security firm Prevendra, wrote for the website

    Burgess also pointed out that this has been done before: “John F. Kennedy’s transition team included his brother, Robert Kennedy," who eventually went on to become the president’s attorney general in 1961.
    Clearance parameters are less straightforward when it comes to presidential transition teams. If the president-elect wants an individual to participate in his security briefings, Burgess says the government would use the “need to know” formula.

    It could “make a case, saying that if this person is here, they need a security clearance," he said.

    So, if the president-elect wants his kids to give him advice, then they have a "need to know."

    Burgess puts it this way: "In order to provide suitable counsel to the president-elect ... Trump’s transition team will need access"—even if that access is to top-secret material.

    And they need it right away. Trump is already getting briefings, and the Jan. 20 inauguration is roughly 60 days away. But it normally takes between 90 and 120 days to process a single application for clearance.

    In 2008, after then-President-elect Obama was given one sensitive intelligence briefing at a secure facility in Chicago, he joked, “It’s good that there are bars on the windows here because if there weren’t, I might be jumping out.”

    Though Trump has been given some intelligence briefings on threats and capabilities, there are a series of separate briefs scheduled for the president-elect into what Obama has called “our deep secrets.”

    Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks said she could not provide any information on the schedule for the briefings. Previous presidents received them over the course of the entire transition.

    Under law and procedures, such covert-action orders are issued by the office of the president, and Obama’s orders will continue unless Trump, as president, changes them. Normally, the president-elect will review current covert actions and decide before the inauguration whether he wants to continue, modify or cease any. He also could add new covert operations after taking the oath.

    Obama received his briefing on covert action Dec. 9, 2008.

    So as you can see, if you bother to, Rhodes could have both had clearance on inauguration day AND that clearance not being granted by the FBI.
  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    And that subtracts from school prep in other areas. The school bears a cost.
    Then there's the insurance, oversight, paperwork, inevitable mishaps - - - - all paid by the school.
    Then there's the cost of having that be the setup and no volunteers - having to hire, or compensate, etc.
    From a guy who isn't President yet, sure. Of course.
    Not from Obama.
    Obama could not grant security clearance waivers until he was President.
    And nobody has presented evidence he ever did.
    He didn't have his entire White House running on overextended interim clearances either - last count I saw was something like 40 people in Trump's administration still without permanent clearance after a year but with access to secret and Top Secret material. Obama had none.
    Your source, your claim, your burden. I read your source - if you didn't, it's not too late.
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  14. Vociferous Registered Senior Member

    Again, you're sounding like teachers are slaves or something. Like they somehow don't have the same choice of what to do with their personal time that every else does.
    I've already addressed your insurance nonsense.
    The deterrent effect of armed teachers doesn't even require any. Just the possibility.
    So you don't think the president-elect has any clearance authority?
    Again, you don't think the president-elect has clearance authority, while being briefed on matters of national security, and requiring counsel from others not yet granted clearance?
    Okay. You just keep believing that.
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    You got it.
    That's why Rhodes was being vetted by the FBI in the first place, and why their reluctance to issue interim clearance to him was so large a worry and concern of Podesta among others.
    Quoted for the laugh.

    The deterrent effect of armed teachers has yet to be demonstrated, even if they are present. The deterrent effect of armed guards - as at the Florida school - has yet to be demonstrated. The hazards and costs of armed teachers - accidents, thefts, teacher flipouts, etc - have been shown to exist.

    Meanwhile, the only relevance to the Trump presidency is that Trump once talked about it - the media has yet to fully comprehend the irrelevance of the content of Trump's vocalizations.
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    Putin is about to get re-elected ( As world leader no doubt

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    McCabe gets sacked a few hours before he is due to retire on full pension.
    Tillerson gets the boot by tweet.

    Transition times for :
    Secretary of state - Foreign affairs in total disarray for perhaps a month or so.
    CIA leadership - in disarray for 30 days or so.

    see a pattern?

    reality tv at it's finest...
  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

    ...just means the teachers are taken out first...
    The teachers have been made a greater target, whether carrying or not... thanks to Trump.
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