I don't understand the words games you play. The title of the thread inquires into the truth of science, specifically the science leading to Big Bang Theory, but then you open with Creationist material. What in the world is subjective about me calling a spade a spade? Game on, then. I vaguely recall that you intimated this to me (covertly) on a couple of occasions. However that's unclear to me. However, your OP treats Creationism as something viable, or at least suitable for scientific discussion on cosmology. So what's up with that? I didn't get that memo. I'll take your word for it, noting that covert religious folks are common here. That's flaming. I'm simply attacking your OP where it reeks of creationism. All you have to do is to clarify your remarks. I see I've triggered your defense mechanism. Maybe if I had some reason to think you wanted to talk about any of the facts I entered, then I would apologize. I'm just leery of you, not quite ready to trust you, based on some bizarre repartee from past threads. If game playing were not your agenda, I think you would at least speak to the facts I raised. You can begin by entertaining the notion of time and space being created in the Big Bang. As I predicted, you showed no interest in participating in an actual scientific discussion about a topic in cosmology which pretty much trumps the OP. (There was no before.) Those are just the facts, no game there. Speak to them if that's your true intent. As I said, I always give leeway to folks who show sincerity.