The Threat We Refuse to Acknowledge ...

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Chagur, Nov 1, 2002.

  1. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Once again homosexuals are in the forefront of being a threat to
    society. No, not their morality; rather their irresponsible self-
    centeredness that places pleasure before all else.

    Syphilis is again on the rise and guess who's the vector? The
    homosexual community!

    Isn't it about time we recognize that homosexuals are a threat to
    society in general? That they, and their self-centered egos, are
    far more dangerous as a group than all the terrorists targeting
    this country?

    Just a thought

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  3. John MacNeil Registered Senior Member

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    Human beings are deserving of the same rights, regardless of their sexual orientation. However, I also find it offensive that on "Gay Pride Day" they parade through the streets in provocatively lewd dress and paraphernalia in their effort to "shock" mainstream society. Such behavior is not fitting for public display and should be confined to private residences or auditoriums.
     
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  5. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    John MacNeil ...

    Don't you believe that the same attitude that encourages 'shock
    value' also encourages societally dangerous sexual practices?

    Take care

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  7. fadingCaptain are you a robot? Valued Senior Member

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    The 'shock' tactics you guys describe are probably done to piss off homophobes like you. It seems to work.
     
  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Such behavior is not fitting for public display and should be confined to private residences or auditoriums.

    This, coming from a so-called, "Man of Science."

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  9. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    I really don't care that much. If there is any segment of society which indulges in self-harming behaviour, eventually, over time, the instances of self-harm should add up to that segment of society eradicating itself. Whatever their race, religion, sexual preference, shoe size, or whatever, that can only be for the general good. It means fewer resources will be absorbed/used by an ultimately unproductive (evolutionarily a dead-end, due to the self-destruction thing) segment of society.

    For those who need it explained completely: A group of people harm themselves. Say 99% continue on ok, 1% drop out of the picture due to that self-harm. Over time, you multiply the losses together, and eventually they're all gone. At that point, when all are gone, that segment of society's entire achievements becomes nothing more than an anecdote in a school textbook.

    Once again, no, I don't care what other people do in this regard. I'm just pointing out a possibility.
     
  10. John MacNeil Registered Senior Member

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    And what do you find wrong with that statement, Q ? Are you suggesting that anyone who wishes to display lewd behaviour be allowed to parade down city streets? Are you thinking we should have a heterosexual women's day so everywoman in society can strut down main street in their slinky underwear? Where do you draw the line for what is responsible behavior and what is not? To have a moral code for public conduct is not homophobic. If I recall, many communities have laws against women or men soliciting for sex on city streets, but they condone the same type of services when they are called escort services.
     
  11. fadingCaptain are you a robot? Valued Senior Member

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    Adam,
    I don't see natural selection taking its course in this case. Homosexuals are the product of 1) social factors or 2) genetics.

    If it is option 1, then natural selection has nothing to do with it because to diminish or increase the population the social factors must be dealt with.

    If it is option 2, then the genes involved do not seem to be ones that are passed from parents to offspring but are more due from genetic mutation. In this case, a common genetic trait of homosexuality would appear regardless of population. Over a long period of time this mutation might disappear, I am not sure...
     
  12. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    YES!!!
     
  13. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    1) I didn't target homosexuality. I targeted specific segments of society which harm themselves.

    2) There is no evidence, as far as I know, to support the idea that homosexuality is anything but an act of free will.
     
  14. fadingCaptain are you a robot? Valued Senior Member

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    Adam,
    We might be getting a little off topic here but...

    While I agree hard evidence either way is still lacking, I have a story:
    In my elementary school, there was a boy probably 7 or 8 years old that loved to play with dolls and play with girls at recess. He was harrassed horribly as you can imagine. He continued this kind of behavior throughtout school years and was an outcast. Also, not surprisingly, he turned out to be gay.

    My question would be how is this free will? He had no reason or advantage in choosing this behavior at such a young age. It just seemed genetic to me...
    Have you any gay friends? Mine would argue that it can be genetic either from personal experience or observation.
     
  15. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    How does that demonstrate anythign but free will? The kid played with dolls because he liked dolls. Why assume he is a pathetic animal incapable of making choices?

    Yes, I have a couple of gay friends. They can say it's genetic all they want, but until they have proof, they're bullshitting.
     
  16. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, let's say it's genetic.

    Don't alcoholics claim the same thing?

    Yet if they continue to drink and drive, penalties are imposed.

    Why should it be different for homosexuals?

    Why the double standard?


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  17. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Women are at the forefront of societal danger

    Chagur

    You're right, you know. And so I thought about it. Women are a danger to society, too.

    I was thinking about crime, and how poverty and a lack of education causes crime. So it seemed that a lack of resources contributed to crime in America. It struck me as odd that the US is so unprepared for its children. I looked up unwanted pregnancies; guess what? They all occur in women. I looked up miscarriages and infant mortality statistics as well. Again, the statistics show that this is a problem uniquely associated with women.

    And so women are a danger to society. All birth-related complications occur in women, and women are responsible for every unwanted child that grows up to steal your wallet on a Saturday night.

    Stuff that in a pipe and smoke it

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    thanx,
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  18. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Only from you tiassa

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  19. You Killed Jesus 14/88 Registered Senior Member

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    Gays are cool. Any group of people who don't breed are cool in my book.
     
  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Indeed

    I see the whole thing as similar to blaming black skin for crime. Statistical correlation does not the whole truth reveal. In the long run, I just don't see the topic perspective as helpful to anyone. It might be an ego boost, it might help some people feel better about the fact that they're not gay, but that's about all it's worth.

    thanx,
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  21. fadingCaptain are you a robot? Valued Senior Member

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    Pathetic animal? Easy there. I am not assuming anything just offering possiblities that you seem close-minded to.

    Not bullshitting just offering an opinion that may or may not be true. Which is the same as yours of course, but I wouldn't call that bullshitting...
     
  22. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not closed to the idea that it's based on genes. But since there is no evidence to support the notion, it's just a superstition and not worth considering as a valid factor.

    My opinion is that there is no evidence which supports the idea that homosexuality is genetic in origin. Since there is no such evidence, my opinion is quite valid. The contrary opinion, that it is based on genetics, is merely superstition. Plus my friends generally bullshit all the time anyway.
     
  23. fadingCaptain are you a robot? Valued Senior Member

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    My lack of knowledge here may show, but I thought there was evidence (though probably disputed) that linked homosexuality with genetics. If there is not, I would have to change my view and agree with you...I'll have to do some research...
     

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