The Sun Is Not Hot

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by chung, Jun 12, 2013.

  1. chung Registered Member

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    I will read and examine later. That's it for now.
     
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  3. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Because water circulating through the shade would freeze.
     
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  5. chung Registered Member

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    It did not say so. Are those pipes always in the shade?
     
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  7. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Probably, since those pipes are designed as a heat exchanger, meant to drain away excess heat from the station. If they were in direct sunlight, they'd be gaining heat.

    Besides, once any part of the pipes freeze, circulation would be blocked.
     
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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  9. chung Registered Member

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    We are supposed to learn truth and probabilities are accepted as a way to find out but when probabilities are given as truth we may not arrive at the truth.
     
  10. chung Registered Member

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    Nice, many can create a different picture of temperature readings, easy enough. They say a thermometer in the thermosphere will read close to freezing point and then claim the temperature is very high, how conflicting is that?
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It is indeed confusing if you do not understand the physics of radiative heat transfer.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. Comets do not have a tail when they are far from the sun because they are very cold.
     
  13. chung Registered Member

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    When they are near the earth Halley's Comet was pictured as tailed already. Is there a large lengthening of the tail as it slings along the sun and how much did its mass lost that it survived for so many years?

    Btw, isn't it that if the sun's rays create excitation of particles then Halley's Comet will have some melting even if the sun is undergoing a cold fusion?

    (I would reasonably assume that if cold fusion is created in our laboratory, it will emit waves/frequency/rays that create heat in the particles it bump into.)



    Corollary topic:
    Is its speed enough to account for it being able to escape the supposed pull of such a huge mass as the sun appears to have?
     
  14. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Cold fusion is a scam. It's been claimed, but never demonstrated or replicated by any reputable lab or researcher. The only ones who have claimed cold fusion are those looking to get money from gullible investors.
     
  15. chung Registered Member

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    The explanation I found is that there are particles in the thermosphere which move very fast due to some ionization or whatever activation the sun's rays doing with it. And they add that thermometer reading will be close to zero centrigade. That means to me that the sun's rays may indeed be harmful without certain barriers and they generate heat to particles. But the overall mix in those area will be cool.

    It is somewhat akin to having a moderate temperature in a room, but somewhere in the room, there are embers burning or some pots of coffee that is boiling.
     
  16. chung Registered Member

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    Until sometime later, I would not count it a scam. Perhaps, there should be an audit first of suppressed energy systems and inventions.

    Also Keshe Foundation appears to be impending mobilization of energy generations that most likely be using cold fusion.
     
  17. chung Registered Member

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    Perhaps, the temperature of vacuum created in the flask is the same temperature it more or less retained when it was created on earth. And that condition may differ significantly compared to space which is cold apparently.
     
  18. chung Registered Member

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    Offerings of Peace

    If this thread threatened you or offended you in some ways. Please remove whatever hate from the clash of ideas.

    The point of this thread achieves what it supposed to do. Make people think!

    If our minds are in Windows mode OS, perhaps trying whatever other OS such as Linux version would be a good idea sometime ago.
     
  19. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Warmth and cold are, of course, relative.
    Cold is when particles move slowly, and hot when they move quickly.
    In a perfect vacuum, there are no particles at all.
    Space, away from clouds of dust, suns and planets, is a nearly perfect vacuum.

    Even though the few particles there may be moving very slowly,
    I think that "neither hot nor cold" or "insulator"is a better description than "cold"
    That's one reason why planets like ours stay warm for Billions of years.
    Space is like a cloak around us, and the only heat we lose is from radiation.

    Your notion of taking a vacuum flask from earth to space is a good one.
    If you made a near vacuum inside a large glass bottle on earth,
    and then slowed down the few molecules inside it so they were moving very slowly,
    the glass would not feel cold to the touch.
    If you could then somehow instantly transport that bottle to space,
    there would be no difference between the vacuum inside and the vacuum outside.
     
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  20. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    yes, the worlds secret government operations are sometimes nasty business.
    it's their game, let 'em play it.
    it usually comes to light sooner or later.
    the real problem is keeping their hands off the innocent.
    why would the military want an orbit anyway?
    they can't "weaponize" space, research is the realm of science.
    what else is there? to spy on someone?
     
  21. chung Registered Member

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    Cold Fusion Report and Sun's Energy Source

    [video=youtube_share;LHXc7NNMiWo]http://youtu.be/LHXc7NNMiWo[/video]

    This could be a way to estimate how much fuel in terms of power measurement the sun could have been emitting all these years so far:
    1. They have already a value of the energy received by earth on a single day. ( no link bec. I have read it but dont know where)
    2. Factor in the total sphere around the radius of earth's revolution around the sun. a) get the circumference of earth's revolution b) translate that into a 3D sphere of same radius
    3. Factor in the time estimate it has been going on so far. The minimum may be, since the time plants appeared on earth - for sure the 65million years or so figure since dynasaurs roam the land (because many of these animals ate plants)

    Now a very conservative estimate of energy output since 65million years ago or up to billions of years (earth age estimate) can compute to a most enormous value of solar energy output.

    If sun generates energy from hot nuclear fusion
    - then with that figure we can estimate the total mass of nuclear fusion fuel is needed for it to go on.

    if the mass doesn't jibe with the sun's size, then it is most probable that hot nuclear fusion is not the energy generation mechanism happening.

    This same procedure may be tried if a cold fusion becomes a reality, using instead cold fusion as the parameter.

    If it still doesnt compute well, then the white hole energy from anti-matter realm flowing into our dark matter universe may be a model to develop further.
     
  22. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Rossis is the scam artist trying to get people to send him money. His alleged results have never been verified by anyone.
     
  23. chung Registered Member

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    I have no judgement of him. Just presenting what the videomaker researched.
     

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