The Sun Is Not Hot

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by chung, Jun 12, 2013.

  1. chung Registered Member

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    The sun is a light generating sphere, but the photons traveling the near vacuum of space are not hot. We only feel the heat from friction of the sun's rays as they pass particles within the space-time curvature around the planet.

    It is like the effect certain waves that agitate certain kinds of molecules, just like how microwaves agitate H2O molecules to heat food. But placing a ceramic figurine in the microwave will not make it hot.
     
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  3. chung Registered Member

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    I cant post a link (apparently, I have not achieved enough number of posts yet) to this luisprada. com article so I'm just quoting:


    "The sun is really cold, contrary to what official science says.

    As actual proof, the outer space exposed to sun rays without any blockage from atmosphere is really extremely cold to approximately 3ºK (-273ºC), water freezes approximately at 4ºC. Why is it not then extremely hot, since when sun is resplendent, in summer for instance, and there are no clouds is hot outdoors? Heat is caused by a thermal reaction between sun rays and the electromagnetic planetary aura, the Van Allen lines or the morphogenetic fields of matter as taught in ancient arcane wisdom (1) and in the book Telos (2)..."
     
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  5. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Shouldn't this immediately be moved to the cesspool?
     
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  7. arauca Banned Banned

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    The sun waves induce rotation of my body water and other molecules which are polar to rotate and as they rotate they finally will increase kinetic energy and I will feel an increase in temperature , which will indicate energy have been transferred from the sun into my body.
     
  8. arauca Banned Banned

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    On this post you have stimulated in mi a question ans on why planets that are far removed why are they cold . We think about the outer space as vacuum , but this is not true , there are atoms and molecules in the space and they absorb energy from the sun . I assume if there would be a true vacuum the far removed planets would absorb energy from the sun and might not be as cold.
     
  9. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    No. The density of the interplanetary medium in the vicinity of the Earth is 5 particles per cc. Even if this were constant as you move out from the Sun (it isn't, it decreases), The amount of material between Pluto and the Sun works out to being the equivalent of a layer of air at STP only 4 one millionths of a centimeter thick.

    The reason outer planets are cold is that radiation intensity drops of by the square of the distance. Thus with Pluto being some 29 time further from the Sun, Each square meter of its surface only receives 1/841 the amount of light as the Earth does.

    The average surface temp of the Earth is ~15C, however 33 degrees of that is due to the green house effect, and if we were to remove that, its would be -18C or 255K. So you imagine how cold something that only gets 1/841 the amount of heating from the Sun can get.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Because they don't get much energy from the sun. The energy they do get is quickly radiated away.

    It is very close to a vacuum. If it was not all the planets would have fallen into the sun a long time ago.

    They do absorb energy from the sun and get warmer. Then they radiate it away and get colder.
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Photons are not themselves hot. They have no mass.
    They carry energy which will make other things hotter if they strike it.
    They can't make space very hot as there is almost nothing to make contact with.

    There is, at a stretch, something in the OP, but not as it is stated.
    The sun has mass, so can itself be hot, and is hot.
     
  12. 1100f Banned Registered Senior Member

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    No because the sun is not hot and the moon is made of cheese (but I guess you knew that)
     
  13. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Are you trying to win some sort of contest for the "dumbest opening post?"

    If so, you've managed to come pretty close; care to try again?
     
  14. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    IR waves aren't hot either when traveling through space.
    then why has science devised a thermonuclear (fusion) reaction to explain their observations?
     
  15. chung Registered Member

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    The academe view is a layer upon layer of reasoning and in that accumulated layers are hypothesis that were made with barely the necessary instruments and validations. If NASA gets a new contrary finding, they being under the military industrial complex is susceptible to be silence for reason of "national security". In the meantime, the ego of their upper elites drives them to obtain knowledge that can be used for weaponry, control and wealth. The resulting exotic technology ends up in the hands of private corporations that are then subsidized.


    Mr. Dollard's investigation and point of view:
    [videoJhttp://youtu.be/2lI_rnpxsxQ[/video]

    can't make the proper embed, so here's the link: http://youtu.be/2lI_rnpxsxQ

    Please embed on your end.
     
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  16. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    This all really belongs in the cesspool. It's giving pseudoscience a bad name.
     
  17. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    i don't think NASA would place orbiting solar observatorys into orbit with nothing more than an off/on switch.
    we might even have some that's in a geosynchronous orbit with the sun.
    yes, top secret super sensitive spywork isn't for the timid.
    subsidized?
    as in being made available to the people?
    what's wrong with that?
     
  18. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Not the academe I know. Which ones do you know?

    If you mean Eisenhower's military industrial complex, it went down the tubes when the Berlin wall fell. Too bad there wasn't a web in the Cold War era. you could have had some actual followers then.

    Translated: people go to college to prepare of careers that will give them economic independence. :yawn:

    Well if I risk someone risks their hard-earned money and labors to develop a new technology or product, do you expect me them give it away?

    As for your OP, in a word: no.

    If you want to learn how heat exchange takes place between the sun and the earth you need only catch up on your jr. high physical science text. If you need further assistance, don't hesitate to ask. There are plenty of folks here who can help you set you on the fast track.
     
  19. chung Registered Member

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    NASA is not answerable to the people. The technologies they used cost money and not just on/off switch. Don't use a twisted logic.


    The black operations require money and people's money is used. Think of DUMBS, CAFR, mind control programs, secret space and then think of the following sample missing money:
    [video=youtube_share;GYNVNhB-m0oJhttp://youtu.be/GYNVNhB-m0o[/video]

    If above video wouldn't play, click the ff: http://youtu.be/GYNVNhB-m0o

    Technology and products research are being made by private chummy corporation from funds of people. In many instances, many agencies are engaging in drugs and other illegal acts (think about opium in Afghanistan).
     
  20. chung Registered Member

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    Here is what wiki states:

    "Operation Paperclip was the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) program used to recruit the scientists of Nazi Germany for employment by the United States in the aftermath of World War II (1939–45). It was conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA)...

    To circumvent President Truman's anti-Nazi order and the Allied Potsdam and Yalta agreements, the JIOA worked independently to create false employment and political biographies for the scientists. The JIOA also expunged from the public record the scientists' Nazi Party memberships and régime affiliations. Once "bleached" of their Nazism, the scientists were granted security clearance by the US government to work in the United States"



    These and similar attitude created a layer of secrecy that even presidents were not able to access. The witnesses from the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure attested that several presidents tried to access these black operation but were not successful. We could have been enjoying less energy cost already from these tech discoveries, but greed intervened.
     
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  21. chung Registered Member

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    Theoretical physics and hypothecation doesnt have to adhere to a good name nor upheld the integrity of the current views, it just have to provide a view, plausible enough and that contain innate potential for furthering the discovery of science.
     
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  22. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    What answers are you seeking? Have you checked their website?

    Are you a creationist?

    There is no such thing as "the people's money". There are "the people's programs", programs authorized by Congress on behalf of the people. The taxes collected to finance the people's programs are sunk cost.

    You started with pseudoscience and moved to conspiracy theory.

    Then run for office and expose them. You'll be a hero.

    "Many agencies"? You mean the military is smuggling opium?
     
  23. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    The people involved at that time are either dead or have one foot in the grave. So it's over, right?

    Since citizens aren't cleared to know black ops, their testimony is not authentic.

    You are so jealous of them. Why not just get a degree in physics and publish the secret formulas to their clandestine achievements?

    You'll have to begin by learning how heat energy is actually transferred from the Sun to the Earth.
     

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