The speed of light may have been broken.

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Pincho Paxton, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. Tach Banned Banned

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    Indeed?


    What is "a violation of c"? Are you letting your armchair post again in your place?
     
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  3. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    Light through a medium does not travel at c.
     
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  5. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Refine your statement RJbeery. You will need to. A vacuum is a medium.

    I think what you mean is ''different mediums''.
     
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  7. Tach Banned Banned

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    That was not the question, the question was : What is "a violation of c"?
    As an aside, what made you think that the authors would consider light traveling through rock in their experiment?
     
  8. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    When I said:
    What I meant by "through a medium" is something other than a vacuum. In this case, rock. If you think it's odd to consider the speed of light through rock I would agree with you, which is why I looked at this person in a strange way when they made this comment. What I meant by "violation of c" is that something is able to travel faster than c (or possibly faster and slower than c), as is normally prohibited in Relativity.

    Apparently the neutrinos have been measured to move faster than light would for the same distance through a vacuum, then? There's a fine line between either of you asking for clarification because you are confused, and simply being pedantic.
     
  9. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Who are you referring to being pedantic, me or tach?
     
  10. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    The jury is still out. Tach being pedantic is a given. I can see why you may have been genuinely confused by my meaning in post #562, but I felt that the context of previous posts made it clear. Perhaps I should've said
     
  11. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Right, yes.
     
  12. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Tach is very pedantic and I find some of his posts a little incomprehensible.
     
  13. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Here we go again. When you say medium, I take it you are talking about anything that is transparent to light? What happens when light travels through a transparent medium is that it gets absorbed by atoms and then gets readmitted. The actual photon always travels at c when it travels. But getting absorbed and admitted is what causes it to take longer traveling through a medium.

    On the other hand a neutrinos rarely interact with any matter and when they do they don't get absorbed and readmitted. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here?
     
  14. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    KJK, I'm not trying to make controversial pronouncements. If you read all of my posts hopefully you'll see that I was only trying to clear up a confusing comment made to me by someone (in person) regarding Opera's neutrinos.
     
  15. Reiku Banned Banned

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    As much as I appreciate your comedy like responses here and please, take this as a compliment first, I do believe RJbeery is being misunderstood. I read most of his posts previous to mine questioning the medium reference and I do believe he knows what he means, he just didn't articulate it to the best standards, which is appreciable. Not many can.
     
  16. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I do appreciate that they made some refinements and redid the experiment. However, it was the same group of people that ran it again. I won't start getting much of a warm fuzzy until another group of scientists run the experiment and get the same results.
     
  17. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed, I was just nit picking a bit. But sometimes a little nit picking is called for and can lead to some interesting comments, and sometimes not.
     
  18. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Ok, but be careful - a little nit-picking can be a crusade to many.

    Deal with the question at hand. Be a true scientist and deal with not only the question, but the right time to let it drop my friend.
     
  19. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    God fixes the speed of light.
     
  20. Reiku Banned Banned

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    God can fix anything, if you believe in a superintelligence.

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  21. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    How many gods does it take to fix the speed of light?
     
  22. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    The way I understand the current paper, this experimental run was intended as a proof of concept, for a refinement of the original experiment.

    It was a short experimental run with specific refinements, predominately shortening the neutrino bursts to 3 ns (?) and intended to test the experimental design. I believe it is to be repeated over a longer time frame early next year. And it already sounds like there are plans to reproduce it, in both the US and Japan.

    The new design does eliminate at least some of the criticisms of the earlier results.
     
  23. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Yes, posted.

    It still has a lot of room for errors.

    I'm not that bothered about their speed TBH, I find Neutrinos interesting for many other reasons. I think that they are our link to Dark Matter.
     

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