The Relativity of Time

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Nightshift, Mar 8, 2014.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Albert of course said a lot of things...some of them wrong...
    As a great humanitarian and scientist, he was though man enough to own up to admit his mistakes, and maintained a humility throughout his life that some could learn from.

    I certainly hope I'm still around when a validated ToE does come to light Beer w/Straw, and you can bet your short and curlies, when it does, it will be from mainstream established science.
    It most certainly won't be from some obscure proto scientist with delusions of grandeur.
     
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  3. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Still, Einstein's words were not his math...
     
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  5. Undefined Banned Banned

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    Exactly. The maths was abstractions based modeling construct using 'spacetime' abstraction because they left the reality entities/mechanisms/causes manifesting the observable phenomena behind. Einstein even said that's what they and the maths model was doing:

    You know, you and the others are beginning to sound like all those 'priests' and 'believers' of religious dogma that we all abhor because that is just what they DO. Here you are denying the STATED PURPOSE for the MODELING ABSTRACTION approach leaving the real things behind....and you STILL DENY the obvious? Wow, some would-be 'scientists' you are. Tch, Tch, Tch.

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    Soon. Rushing isn't an option at this stage. You've waited almost 100 years for the professionals to deliver and fail. You surely wouldn't begrudge a year more to the 'crank' who CAN deliver BOTH the new reality-contextual Axiomatic Maths AND the physical ToE in one integrated, consistent and complete package, would you? Patience, Beer w/Straw.

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  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah me and all the others you have called trolls like Only Me, Grumpy, brucep, PhysBang, Declan Dunny, Russ Waters and probably others.

    Your posts getting more and more desperation in style undefined, and remember, previously we were both banned.
    Now please, stop the whinging and whining.
    You have no proof or fact stating what you think is correct.
    I see space/time/gravity/matter/energy/Universe as real....
    Because that is what makes the most sense to me, and other reputable sources also see it that way, and make perfect sense in telling us why.
    Your description/model/out of context quotes, make no sense to me.
     
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    So, you're saying you use math in your ToE?
     
  10. Undefined Banned Banned

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    Maths that is based/works on real things, not 'dimensionless point' axiomatically derived/constructed maths that currently lead to undefined/undetermined and other non-sequitur 'results' when the reality aspect cannot be handled by current axioms which are rooted in purely philosophical 'dimensionless point' notion (look up 'point' in wiki if you don't believe/understand that) that has 'an infinite' number of points in 'a finite' (but purely abstract) 'line' distance. You're in for a real reality eye-opener, Beer. No bull. Patience.

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  11. Undefined Banned Banned

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    @Beer...

    PS: Is that paddo as annoyingly clueless sycophantic to you as he is to other 'mainstreamers'?
     
  12. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Please don't hurt us.

    :fright:
     
  13. Undefined Banned Banned

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    hahaha! NO worries, Beer...."Mostly Harmless" is this particular 'crank'.

    PS: Did it 'hurt' when you looked up 'point' in wiki and found that all the current maths axioms/construct/understandings are based on purely philosophical notions that have no basis or logic related to reality? Ouch!

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  14. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    If you don't use math, how do you even convince yourself of the validity of your idea?
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    That post should be framed....Honestly.

    All hail the new Messiah!!!! :worship:



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  16. Undefined Banned Banned

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    I use the correct reality-referential contextual maths, not some unreal maths that is based on some reality-non-sequitur 'dimensionless point' etc etc 'notions' from philosophy and not much else.

    So tell the forum...

    Did it 'hurt' when you looked up 'point' in wiki and found that all the current maths axioms/construct/understandings are based on purely philosophical notions that have no basis or logic related to reality? Ouch!
     
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    The work will speak for itself, as it always should in science. But you wouldn't know that. You're still in the 'believing' and 'following' the person/source and not the objective points made so far MO. Figures why the uncomprehending 'priest' MO is strong in you, paddo. Poor thing.

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  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    You invented better math you mean?
     
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    Long ago at physforum I alluded to what I was doing and why. The new ehanced set of Axioms will be in addition/parallel with existing ones. The 'inventing new maths' process is not new, it has been done many times in the history of mathematics since Euclid. What is REALLY NEW in this effort is that the purely philosophical notion of 'dimensionless point' is no longer THE ONLY 'starting point' (as it were). There is a new starting point to reflect reality and provide for the needs of the physical ToE completion which could not be modeled in the old 'dimensionless point' construct because that construct led to NON-sequiturs that effectively and logically STALLED both the modeling and the understanding of the physical reality underlying the ToE. The new reality-maths construct can model the real things/processes where the old unreality-maths construct met 'singularities' and infinities and undeterminable etc etc because the old axioms couldn't cope with reality when push came to shove in the ToE completion process/requirements.

    Anyhow, that's all I can say on that and the math/physical ToE at this stage. Cheers and good luck to you in your endeavors, Beer.

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    Context! Context! Context!

    Context is often found in more than just the words their-self. That passage comes from his 1920 University of Leyden address. To understand it fully you must try to understand the audience he was speaking to!

    You cannot just read a historical address from within the context of today's knowledge base. You have to consider the knowledge base of the audience and what he (Einstein) was attempting to convey.., to that audience.

    Give it a try.
     
  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I often listen to Sean Carrol and I have not yet heard him say anything controversial that you support.
    In fact, I have heard him say words to the effect that space/time is certainly real.....along with others such as Tegmark, Kaku and Cox.
    So maybe that apology should be on the other foot? Just saying.
     
  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I think he's having a lend of you undefined.

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  23. Undefined Banned Banned

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    I already did, OnlyMe. And since you asked for the whole context, here it is in the full Einstein speech:


    He also bemoaned:

    So the later mathematical overlays and abstractions/confusions only makes THAT EARLIER CONTEXT only MORE POIGNANT because the CURRENT CONTEXT has gone so far for abstraction/maths and removed itself too far from the reality context of the earlier days when the theory was first proposed consistent with INSIGHTS into the ACTUAL REALITY which the theory ABSTRACTED from its 'maths/abstract relativities and left the actual real physical entities/mechanisms/processes and causes behind.

    Let's step back into the reality CONTEXT and see what we left behind when the abstractions cascade of overlays and confusions started to roll with gay abandon, shall we? That's what some of us 'cranks' have been doing quietly and thoroughly while the cavalcade of "the mathematicians" Einstein bemoaned about went on unabated and without a second thought to the reality entities/mechanisms/processes and causes they all left behind more and more with each passing 'overlay' and assumption in REMOTE VIEW ABSTRACTION not LOCAL REALITY. Good luck, OnlyMe. Cheers.

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