The Realities Of Postpartum

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  1. Anew Life isn't a question. Banned

    Now a thread for valuable reply concerning this matter, As reply Is discussive of values.

    Well it has been noted that postpardum is most often an entire family matter, of all family members..and aquaintence/friendship involvement being unprepared for the arrival of a child.; therefore there is standard dualism to attend with.

    Yes, there are those that plan to the most excessive detail for the perfection of family, Yet truth is often far away.

    relative to all family
    because of many things:
    1. sentimentality- is a problem because, it wastes time and life, and creates wasteful preference therefore variability's of underlaying bigotry's for individuals which in denial beings seek escape and favoritism from others or stimulation of kind to ignore their own inadequacy's.;often becoming sexually promiscuous with themselves and others.; excessive money spending.;variable interpersonal neglects,;sort of a posttraumatic excessiveness of false hope,determination and intricacy issues due to;;;really being too presumptive about far too many things too young, and therefore the standards of 'social' adequacy in & societal norms are still very low. (hence society as referential, to human creativism capacity's)
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  3. Bells Staff Member

    What is it you wish to discuss about postpartum depression?

    Why do you bring up sentimentality and how do you think it relates to postpartum depression? Especially when it comes to other family members?

    What we do know is that it can strike any woman after she gives birth, even months later, no matter how much or how little she plans for every minute detail. I am curious as to how and why your definition of sentimentality has to do with it?
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  5. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    I Went Ahead and Corrected the Thread Title ...

    ... mostly because I couldn't cope with looking at it otherwise.

    However, there's not much I can do about the rest of the post.

    Anew, every day around here the staff cleans up a tremendous mess left by overseas bots autogenerating spam. The bots string words together like a lorem ipsum generator, except they use real words. And sometimes they actually achieve comprehensible sentences.

    And on this occasion, but for the fact that we're already familiar with your username, I would not be able to tell the difference between your post and what the spambots leave.

    And postpartum as you are using the word is actually an adjective, such as we see in Bells' question about postpartum depression. And the word can be used in other ways, but if one attempts to deploy it as a basic, straightforward noun, it would refer to an unresolved set of circumstances occurring in an undefined period after the actual birth, in which case ... well, okay, I can't say your post then makes less sense.

    But ... seriously, what does that post mean?
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  7. wellwisher Banned Banned

    I see the cycle of postpardum as being analogous to anticipation of the coming of Christmas, followed by the actual day when all the presents have been open and things become anticlimactic. The anticipation of a new baby is exciting life Christmas. After the baby is here, and it becomes work and cleanup many get the withdrawal symptoms.

    I can see the imagination causing brain chemicals to be released similar to the joy of the Christmas season. This can get addictive and when the climax appears and one needs to stop the imagination, there is withdrawal. Maybe in the past, when birth was less commercially hyped with merchandise and medical hype, the post birth disorder was less.

    Interestingly, Christmas respects the birth of a child and the good will it induces in the human family. The pregnancy may lead modern parents to the same holiday effect of gifts, good will and VIP treatment; birth of their own little personal savior. But after the climax, the winter of no sleep appears.
  8. Anew Life isn't a question. Banned

    ^life is individuate; having a child isn't really much like having a domestic so called pet' for it is that human beings

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    Just to address the query of ?why sentimentality is referred as a matter relevant to postpardum, IS because. let's see now to define sentimentality:; 1. attachment to ideal 2. demand of ideal.. Then there is the precept of many never quite being aware of the fact of "'false ideal and the relativisms concerning such that effect a being into statisis' of variable relative disconcertedness; due to ''false ideal''> which exists naturally..unnaturally within the means of society..humanity; mostly in areas of family and textbook.

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    Yet obviously there are some many beings doing something right for the foods industry, architecture & travel are quite rightly.

    just kind of tired of the lack of simple ethical law which could help our interpersonal behaviorism means, we're like a buncha workerbeez that have limited verbal and personal space talent.

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  9. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    I see what you're saying in the first two paragraphs, although - not to be insulting - your English is coming across a little disjointedly. Are you translating from German or an Eastern language or something?

    How does the foods, architecture and travel industries enter into this? And regarding the primitive nature of human behaviourism: it's more deception, casual and otherwise, that's a problem, IMHO.
  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    Couldn't see that one coming, eh?

    Seriously? Imagination?

    Chemical changes in two genes reliably predict if a woman will develop postpartum depression.

    The findings open the door to development of a routine blood test for expectant mothers, researchers report.

    The epigenetic modifications, which alter the way genes function without changing the underlying DNA sequence, can apparently be detected in the blood of a pregnant woman during any trimester.


    Well, I guess it's not a hopeless thesis; now all you need to do is connect imagination as a cause of epigenetic changes in TTC9B and HP1BP3, two genes "about which", we learn from Johns Hopkins University, "little is known save for their involvement in hippocampal activity".

    And that's the thing, there are potential pathways. But if it was so obvious as you pretend, it should be much more apparent.

    Seriously, was, "It's just her womanly imagination", ever one of the husbands' tales?

    There is most certainly imagination involved in your thesis, however. Meanwhile, this is what the science looks like:

    The researchers noticed that women who developed postpartum depression exhibited stronger epigenetic changes in those genes that are most responsive to estrogen, suggesting that these women are more sensitive to the hormone’s effects. TTC9B and HP1BP3 predicted with 85 percent certainty which women became ill.

    “We were pretty surprised by how well the genes were correlated with postpartum depression,” Kaminsky says. “With more research, this could prove to be a powerful tool.”

    Kaminsky says the next step in research would be to collect blood samples from a larger group of pregnant women and follow them for a longer period of time. He also says it would be useful to examine whether the same epigenetic changes are present in the offspring of women who develop postpartum depression.

    He says the two genes may be involved with the creation of new cells in the hippocampus and the ability of the brain to reorganize and adapt in the face of new environments—two elements important in mood. In some ways, he says, estrogen can behave like an antidepressant, so that when it is inhibited, mood is adversely affected.

    What you're dealing with in biological terms is a constant cyclical fluctuation of bodily condition undergoing an irregular change of tremendous magnitude, sustaining perpetually changing conditions for around forty weeks, executing a genuinely mindboggling series of maneuvers or even being surgically invaded, and then undertaking a massive transition back toward cyclical normalcy, this last being a period in which a particular psychiatric phenomenon occurs with such magnitude and frequency, and presenting such an array of challenges that, medically speaking, it requires address.

    And in the middle of all this we have evidence that the difference between which woman will suffer postpartum depression or not bears a powerful correlation to genetic and epigenetic factors pertaining to how any one individual body specifically responds to its own specific manifestations of these changes. At eighty-five percent certainty, we're not looking at an outright cause, but we are certainly looking at a central component.

    Sounds a bit like life. Imagine that.

    But, yes, if you are devoted to the idea that imagination is causal, there are pathways. All you have to do is demonstrate how imagination is a purely generative phenomenon of such power as to induce epigenetic changes in two genes known to have some involvement in adaptive and responsory brain activity.

    Two hints on that: Imagination is not a purely generative phenomenon. And, If anyone ever demonstrates imagination as having epigentic authority in hippocampal epigenetics, I will be incredibly impressed, because the implications for human behavior in general are so massive as to potentially redefine the underlying principles of the behavioral sciences.

    You're looking at a Nobel Prize for that.

    Good luck.


    Desmon, Stephanie. "Blood Test Could Predict Postpartum Depression". Futurity. 21 May 2013. 7 January 2015.
  11. wellwisher Banned Banned

    There are so many medical conditions that are exaggerated by the supply side of medicine, to help increase the demand for new goods and services. When you define new problems for old things, you give people a new excuse to behave in prescribed ways.

    One thing I don't understand is, if medicine is the best it has even been, why are more goods and services needed to treat people? This is not logically consistent with the normal cause and effect of the concept of best quality. Best quality should means the least need for goods and services.

    The analogy is a new production model car. It begins with a certain base level of quality. As the years go on and service reports appear, connected to defects and problems, quality is improved at the assembly line, allowing these service requirements to fall.

    One does not expect more and more need for service stops, if the state of the art in the assembly line is getting better and better. Yet in the medical industry quality is sales pitched as the vest it has even been (commercials), yet the need for service checks is at an all time high. Something is not logical here. Does medicine solve one problem and then create others because the solution has side effects? Or is there a supply side induction?

    One way to explain this inversion of cause and effect is that supply side induced sicknesses, like postpartum, keep appearing to help sell new goods and services. In terms of the car analogy, this is like selling the need for brake dusting with every oil change. It sounds sorts of legitimate, but it is not as big a problem as the sale pitch. But there are enough dumb americans who can be manipulated, if insurance has to cover it.

    If we said postpartum is normal and analogous to a hangover we don't need new goods and services. It is connected to the booze content of all the emotional excitement and all the VIP treatment of a pregnancy and is like a hangover. It could be circumvented by remaining less self centered; don't drink too much emotional booze for inflation.

    Being self centered and propped up by others, due to the excitement of a new baby, allows one to float high. When this flight stops at the birth of the child, a crash can be hard the higher in the ozone layer you allow yourself to go. A more balanced view of the pregnancy support, with the prospect of this hangover in mind, should help the many women moderate the impact of the hangover. If they get the hangover after the warning, they need to man up and deal with it, like any drunk, since they had a choice.

    Part of the problem is the constant selling of medical goods and serves to pregnant women which tend to inflate a natural thing into a herd event.
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  12. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member


    Sometimes it would behoove us to pause and consider what we are actually saying. To wit, if you intend to blithely insult the majority of the human species, you should probably do better than crackpot conspiracy theories.

    Meanwhile, there is a phenomenon taking place in the pharmaceutical industry that is part deceptive and part coincidental. The coincidental part is simply that our medical science has progressed to a point that we are attempting new approaches to illness, resulting in a seemingly strange class of products intended to address what, to most of us, are new classifications or labels for health conditions. The deceptive part is found in the business opportunity those new approach vectors symptomatically create.

    I happened to be joking the other day with a friend who is a mental health professional about this time of year. The month before and after Christmas drive me bonkers, it is well known, but neither am I sold on Seasonal Affective Disorder; that is to say, sure, sunlight has something to do with it, but the greater disruption is that everyone around me goes nuts for the holidays. But the joke was about mental health prescriptions; just like we might joke about putting hyperactive kids on speed, it was worth pointing out—in the moment, at least—that we don't hear much about Seasonal Affective Disorder or General Anxiety Disorder (What's that, dude? You get nervous when talking to a woman? There's a pill for that!) anymore.

    I can see why some tried, but among the head tinkers I know, while medication is in no wise out of bounds, none prescribe for SAD or GAD. And they all hedge on a question of depression versus hyperactivity, because putting an ADD patient on SSRIs is nearly asking for a suicide, and depressives on speed are just a dangerous idea.

    But the question of postpartum depression existed well before this, and well before modern medicine.

    There are many of us who doubt big pharma, but even still, it's a better go than the ancient theses↱—well discredited by science—you're pushing.

    If you are determined to keep arguing that it's all in women's heads, please do so scientifically—I've laid out a potential pathway for you—and not according to uneducated, paranoid crackpottery derived from ancient and observably incorrect beliefs.


    Tasca, Cecilia, et al. "Women and Hysteria in the History of Mental Health". Clinical Practice & Epidemiology in Mental Health. Vol.8. 2012. 9 January 2015.

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