The Rabbit Hole

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  1. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

    Some have talked about the possibility of a fake moon landing, because of the disappointment in the faces of the Apollo crew on video's.....
    Or wondered why the Orion project is just a remake of Apollo....
    The Apollo crew went to the Moon in 1969, but the reason for their strange attitude afterwards on video clips possibly involves the following.....

    TAKE THE RED PILL ......and lets see how far the rabbit hole goes.....

    We actually have several different vehicles that "it's said", will make it to the moon and back by lunchtime.
    We had some of these in 1969...including a nuclear powered semicircular disc called the LRV.
    It was a orbital nuclear missile launch platform, so needless to say it was a little classified, breaking all the nuclear treaties known to man at the time.......
    The Lenticular Reentry Vehicle was up there by the "Bay of Pigs" in '62.
    (This info was declassified and released, then published by Popular Mechanics )

    The Air Force has been running two development programs concurrently side by side.
    I don't mean two "programs" so much as one black, and one white....
    One is blacker than black........and the other has some black and some white.
    Follow me so far?.

    The first is Conventional Aeronautics development....
    This includes;
    -Fixed wing aircraft (F class fighters, Jet power, Tilt rotor, ect...)
    -Rocket powered propulsion(V-2 linage Saturn Five's, ICBMs, Space Shuttle, ect...)
    -Black Project - mild black -(U-2, SR-71, F-117A, B-2, Aurora, X-33 M.S.P., ect...)

    This is what the public sees...both what it is told exist upfront, and eventually what it is told is revealed that was "hidden" black projects.
    The Black Programs are "black" but are more like a "cover".... to satisfy the publics belief there are black programs when it's revealed later...

    These are really a cover for the "Real" black program
    Now we'll talk about.... the Dark Side of the Moon.

    Unconventional Aeronautics development
    This includes....
    -Disc VTOL's
    -Triangles the so called TR-3's
    The LRV nuclear platform
    -Anti-grav. propulsion
    -inter-dimensional (time dilation effect)
    -dimensional molecular vibration variation (subspace/hyperspace)
    -Inertial Dampening

    This is the real Black we don't reveal to the public.
    What the "other black" is sacrificed for.... to keep this covered.

    Under the Conventional side we're probably going to see the Military Space Plane developed from the X-33/Venture Star Space Shuttle replacement program surface someday.....
    It was officially scraped in 2001 at Skunk works, as a public shuttle replacement for "technical difficuties"....after about 7 billion tax payer dollars had been spent and it was 85% complete.
    Did they just cut it up and throw it away?..........please, show me the pieces then, it was my money.
    NASA and the Air Force are in bed on this one.
    It was probably continued as a Military X-33 Space Plane to patrol the International Space Station, and protect satellite constellations.

    True to form in a few years they will reveal this "black" object which was so blatantly stolen from a canceled public program it was a set-up from the get-go....
    This will be to satisfy the public interest in our Black world doings.

    Meanwhile the real high technology is kept hidden.
    Ever wonder why we are using 50 year old technology in returning to the moon?
    Come on.....Apollo style orbiters and capsules...(The Orion project)
    Jet liners haven't significantly changed since 1955 With the 707's debut.
    We have been intentionally held back from real advancements for the last fifty years.
    Why could this be?

    (To be continued.....)
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  3. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

    And now.......As Paul Harvey would say;......." for the rest of the story"

    So.... when the real black program technology is revealed it will SEEM - Other worldly, supernatural, and extraterestial.....
    The religious world is looking for God and angels, and the scientific community is looking for aliens with advanced technology.

    This explains the dis-information all these years about "Roswell" and "Backward Engineering".
    The allowing of third world countries like North Korea and Iran to acquire nuclear technology, and keeping American troops in Iraq three years after the war was over.
    They are provoking an attack somewhere in the world from one of these "rouge" states they have supplied, into beginning a nuclear war.
    Just like they did with Japan in WWII.
    They sacrficed Pearl Harbor and three thousand young men, to enter the war with the public's full consent.
    The Churches of the world have missed Christ's return, when some of it's leaders even saw evidence He was here, and kept it quiet, too worried about saving their own skin, yet they promote "Left Behind" books with a carnal mis-interpretation of the "Rature" leading all the world to keep looking.
    The Fake Invasion, First Contact, or the Return of the Messiah.....
    Take your pick, or take all three.

    As Phil Collins once sang...."I can feel it coming in the air at night."

    This will appear appropriately timed after a nuclear war my opinion.
    And take credit for stopping it before it escalates into total inhalation.

    Christianity, Islam, and many others are told to be expecting this.
    -This will be to fake the second coming of Christ.
    -This will be to fake the Imam of Islam...their Messiah
    Every religion on Earth has something that fits this,
    and for the hard core Atheists......don't think we've forgot you now.
    Science using our own secrets will be posing as "aliens", or just as scientists with alien technical knowledge, for you non-beleivers.....
    There's your Singularity, Strong A.I, Backward Engineering,Transgenics, ect, ect, ect....
    Whatever science wants to call it.

    They don't leave anyones version of "god" out, but......
    It's faked, and they may look the part, geneticly altered humans, possessed with demons.......very powerful, highly advanced, but not God, or aliens....technically speaking anyway.
    A New World Order, humans playing an old game......And the devil worshiped as God, just as he said he would do.
    No USA, no RUSSIA, no superpowers.....ONE world...In God We Trust.

    Remember President Reagan's statements about aliens?
    He was trying to tell us something.
    I always liked him.
    This will have all the Earth convinced it is the Messiah's return.

    "All whose names are not on the Lambs Book of Life from the foundation of the world SHALL BE deceived, and worship the image to the beast"

    Eugenics...hidden DNA research into immortal cells, the missing "TeloVector" research I told you about P.J., it all will be called "gifts" from these visitors.
    This New World Order will be the same Satanic Government the world has had for 6,000 years.
    Don't fall for it.

    The real "Administration" change will be yet to come and the real Christ and His will dispose the ones masquerading as Him.
    Every major event or move of God produces the twins....
    God / Satan,.... Lucifer / Michael,.... Cain / Abel,.... Moses / Balaam,.... Jacob / Esua....
    This "move" will be no different.
    Satan duplicates everything God does.
    He knows about the world missing the second coming, He had a hand in that...and even God allowed His Spirit to fall upon the false seed as well as the good seed, to send the "strong delusion" to those without "a love of the truth".
    Babylon is God's birdcage and trap, to bind the tares and burn them.
    Whew...what a plan when you see it...what a drama.
    Can any of you see it now?

    The prophecy of Christ's return wasn't to be Christ coming in a physical body, no, no.
    It was a Spiritual body He came in......first the one then the other.
    He came as the Word, to restore "all things" a Theophany body.
    That's why the churches Satan blinded missed Him...their traditions and doctrines mis-interpreted from the Bible, keep them from receiving Him, blinded just like the Jews two thousand years ago......Babylon the great harlot in Rev. 18:4, refused Christ Rev. 10:1-7.........forty years ago.
    God gives nations about forty years for a space to repent for turning from Him, did you know that?
    Check the Bible.....the iniquity of the "Amorites", the city of "Nineveh" that Jonah went to in the big fish....even Jerusalem herself was taken apart peice by peice, all about forty years after turning away God in one form or another.
    "A nation that turns away from God, that nation shall God destroy"
    They received not a love of the truth....They rejected Him and the Word at the same time.......
    God sent them this delusion.
    I hate to say it, because I love my country.....but I believe she has been set up for a great fall by God and men.
    Earthquakes in L.A., natural disasters, and a nuclear war with Russia over the Middle East are all just days away.
    Did you know Russia has a treatie with Iran, they are the ones building Irans nuclear reactors, and Israel has got to destroy them before they can build a bomb.
    The USA has vowed protection for Israel.
    The United Stated has been sacrificed for the creation of this New One World government.
    And there is no one stopping it this time.

    Satan knows about the third coming about to happen.
    It will be so close.
    But when Jesus comes back is really the third coming.
    The churches have deceived you on this too.
    They have people looking for the wrong thing.
    This will be His "Third" coming when He disposes this Satanic World Power.
    God stoped this from happenning forty years ago, to give time for two things to happen, his sons to mature and be ready under His restored Word, and the forty years expiring to give the USA the same time as the others.

    It will be done to show the remaining nations what happens to those that reject God.

    I write this to warn anyone who has an ear to listen.
    Make right, put in order, and make ever second you never did before.
    Part of me wishes I could stop this.....but it's not up to me.
    The Day of the Lord is at hand.
    Sound hopeless.....don't worry, we're all in His hands.
    Faith is the substance......that spoke the worlds into existence.

    II PETER 3:10
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    II PETER 3:11
    11 ΒΆ [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and god

    Faith is a power greater than all the nuclear weapons in the world combined.
    ISAIAH 54:17... "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper"

    Moses defeated the worlds greatest army with only a stick in his hand.
    Such is the power of Faith spoken on the lips of of a child of God.
    "Unless a corn of wheat falls into the ground"....He's not alone now is He?
    He went to the grave to bring us this Glory, Honor, and Power.

    Can you now see your part in this great battle ......right before you now?
    It's later than you think.

    If they can get you all to believe their deception, your misplaced faith can give them power.......
    You will be lending your influence to the wrong side.
    By knowing and believing the truth....
    We are exposing this deception and taking that power back away from the enemy.

    Arise and shine, it is the rising of the Son.
    "If you can get them to believe..the Lord said;"
    All things are possible" them that beleive.
    Can you hear the ring of truth in that voice....if you can, that's the Word talking to your heart.

    Thanks for your help, sincerly......TheVisitor
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  5. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member


    "Satan, you LEAVE these electronics! You leave this powerpoint alone!"

    Larry Fishbourne, do you really expect us to believe this borderline insane ramblings of yours?

    You are affirming, without a jot of evidence, the massive existence of dozens of black projects using technology that makes Star Trek look like a joke.

    As I asked IceAgeCivilizations:

    Cite. Your. Sources.

    What source do you have for -any- of this information? Why do you believe apparently EVERYTHING you read about everything? Telovectors - give us some proof! Hyperspace - give us some proof! Gravity propulsion - give us some proof!

    What Popular Mechanics issue discusses a flying saucer nuclear bomb platform?

    Seriously man, give us some PROOF not ASSERTION.
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  7. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

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  8. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

    Thank you for citing your PopularMechanics article. I must say: That's pretty nifty!

    However, you have sources for any of the other information you are peddling as truth?

    For instance: The gravity-propulsion? The hyperspace? The "triangles"?
  9. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

    Spiritual principles and philosophic tools of logic and reason are opposites.
    Read my last post on "Spiritual experience"
    Proof won't be provided for the spiritual things.....maybe after reading my link above you'll understand better why.

    As for the technical info.......why question my sources.
    Whats your true motive?...debate, or a need to prove all things revolve around only things that can be proven with logic.
    That is a deception, and is the fabric of the "matrix" you were born into.
    This folly attempts to overthrough the very principles of God.

    I could give you mountains of technical data on the "the massive existence of dozens of black projects" as you so eloquently put it.
    I told you in previous posts that I once worked for the very Defense department contractors that built some of this stuff.
    Or didn't you catch that.
    I will give you something but you'll have to do your own homework to see the "big picture"....

    Here's the X-33 - NASA co-developed with Lockheed's Skunk Works, who builds almost 100% of the Air Forces "mild black" objects.
    It was 85% complete when in the interest of International security it was probably reassigned to the U.S. Space Command to be the Military Space Plane, instead of becoming the U.S.A.'s next Space Shuttle.

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  10. barehandkiller Registered Senior Member

    Thats really interesting stuff, i do not doubt it as a very likely possibility. I always leave my mind open for truer truths but this kind of info feels amazingly truthfull to me.
  11. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member


    Aka: You want me to believe in nancy-pancy, abrakadabra, oom wakka laka, mumbo jumbo, bugaboos like "spiritual proofs"?

    Come now, do you really expect any sane, rational person, to take "spiritual proofs" as worthy of anything? They aren't proofs. They are subjective experience with no ground in objective truth or fact.

    You sir, are a witch doctor. And you're peddling snake oil and magic charms.

    In fact, I claim you are a charlatan and a liar. Your gnostic nonsense relies on information that has no foundation.

    I rely on reason and empirical analysis. So yes, I want to either prove or disprove your statements according to that.

    There is no principle here which God uses - only your imagination.

    Do so. I will evaluate it as you present it.

    Show us the records? Paycheques? That sort of stuff?

    What are your sources for this? Also, what's "black op" about this? That we have in development a new type of space shuttle? Big whoop?
  12. leopold Valued Senior Member

    for starters experemental aircraft is NEVER labeled as x-anything
  13. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

    There have been nearly 50 X-planes designated with some X numbers well past X-33.

    Fighter planes are F labels only after they are approved for production.
    Until then they are the same as spacecraft.
    Experimental spacecraft are X labels also.
    X stands for experimental.

    This is not a joke.
    I have posted this as a warning for anyone who will listen.
    If you fill up this thread with senseless denials and argument.
    I will close the thread and open a new one somewhere else.
    People have to hear this.

    You want my address too.....I'm not saying anything new here.
    Stop your harassment and denials, I have long since learned your not interested in my proving anything.
    That's not what this is really about and we both know it.
    The game has just changed.

    You do the same to everyone else on this board....I have filed a report on you
    But I will tell you one more thing....and if you disagree, fine....
    Just laugh to yourself a little.

    You know why they didn't finish the half scale X-33 as a civilian spacecraft, and build a fleet of full scale VentureStars for our next Space Shuttle?
    Because times up for the U.S.A. as a world power, and as a nation.
    The VISION said Russia.....You don't believe in supernatural anything do you?
    No prophets with visions, no scientist's studying the paranormal and remote viewing even?....well too bad for you is all I can say.
    Israel has a treaties with the USA, and Russia has a treaty with Iran.
    Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me...does anyone else see this?
    Russia will launch on the United States and their nukes are ten times the size of our...not that it makes a lot of difference but, 2 megatons can leave survivors especially underground in civil defense shelters.
    The USA has no such shelters.NONE
    They were abandoned as useless long ago.

    Russia's 20 megaton nukes will not leave many survivors and even if people were in civil defense shelters underground the shock wave traveling through the ground would break ever bone in your body in a bomb shelter at a depth of 150 feet....miles from ground zero.
    She's being sacrificed after being set up with immorality in her T.V. and films broadcast all over the world for the last 40 years.
    The judgments from God are real, but the false World order will use that to it's advantage knowing full well those judgments are coming...even pushing the very buttons themselves.
    And setting up shop somewhere else as a One World nation.
    The USA won't be needing any new shuttles....she isn't slated to outlive the service life on the ones she has now.

    Bert the turtle knew what to do.......lets hear it for the old tune back by popular demand after forty years..
    "Duck and Cover, Duck and Cover"........
    Been nice knowing you.
    God bless,
    The Visitor
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  14. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

    You seem to have a lot of conspiracies on the go, I would suggest just focusing on one otherwise you're stringing a bunch of them together and I doubt you can concentrate on dealing with all of them at the same time.

    I mean the main ones that stand out are your views on how the US government has been running Black projects. It's known that they do, all governments do it's part of what keeps them busy and also can deal with financial difficulties since they tend to buy/sell technology to one another.

    The thing is that a small budget can be given for people to draw out initial ideas and do a little research, the plug usually then gets pulled if what they intended breaks laws, treaties or is just beyond science (and occasionally safety). So a number of these "Designs" might have never made it past the drawing board or only as far as a scale model which in turn probably would of been used to try and gain continued funding.

    People will question your resources as for the most part people that post here tend to pull information from a number of websites but have no first hand information from employment etc. This is why some will assume you are doing that.

    As for Religion, Quite simply stay clear of it. Religion is evil in the sense that some people mull it over in their brains and they allow it to control them, they then become delusional with their own beliefs, reasoning and conspiracies and pretty much become disfunctional.

    As for this "Coldwar" fear that you are suggesting, in reality it won't happen from the point of view of most countries. The main reason for that is that blowing another country away is likely going to cause people to call in treaties and cause more trouble in the long run than good. This is the main reason why we are still here.

    Admittedly the war on Terrorism and "Religion" is obviously a concern for the future, but if something was to kick off it would be an extremist with no care for life anywhere on this planet.

    I'd suggest you try to keep to one subject rather than become lost in your own paranoia.
  15. leopold Valued Senior Member

    your full of shit dude.
    while i agree that there is aircraft labeled x-whatever NONE of them were experimental.

    unless you can tell us what letters are used for experimental aircraft i propose that you are nothing more than a kid that's a wannabe.

    what was the original designation of the blackbird? hint: sr-71 isn't it.
    the blackbird is a delta winged craft. since you ahem "worked at skunkworks" tell us the wings trailing edge shape.
    also what is the top speed of the blackbird? yes i know "officially" it's above mach 3. i also know its top speed. for someone that "worked at skunkworks" this should be easy for you.
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  16. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member


    I am perfectly open to confirm or disprove your stuff. Note how quickly I accepted your reference to Popular Mechanics, with the nuclear demi-circle craft.

    A report to the moderators?

    Oh Jesus Christ...

    What vision now? And no, I certainly don't.

    Remote viewing, maybe. There are some minor confirmations of some phenomena assocaited with it. But it is telling that both the CIA and KGB abandoned such projects. If psychics were truly good for reliable stuff, the CIA and KGB would have used remote viewers as high ultra-secret agents. They didn't.

    You do realize that if the US decides to, they could utterly destroy Russia whilst s uffering no reprisal besides a nuclear winter which could cause major problems, but survivable oes?

    If Russia even THINKS of attacking the US seriously, we could litterally castrate Russia.

    Would you care for an article that discusses this at length?

    Actually, civilian bomb shelters could survive this rather easily. Most nuclear weapons also do not penetrate the ground, but instead are air-bursted.


    The United States is not going to get into a war with Russia where nukes are exchanged. This threat ended in 1991, excluding horrific, Dr. Strangelove type, accidents.
  17. leopold Valued Senior Member

    i hereby declare you a fraud mister.
  18. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

    X stands for experimental, and experimentation is the single purpose of the X-planes.
    SR was for Stealth Reconnaissance SR-71.
    Originally it was designed to be an Attack bomber, a first strike offensive weapons system, the A-12
    A was for attack.
    The fleet was assembled from 1962-1966.
    Because of treaty violations it was downgraded to carrying reconnaissance equipment, before any were finished..offically... as nuclear bombers..
    Never said I worked at Skunk Works, I said a I worked at several defense contractors that were involved in producing high tech military hardware.
    Raytheon and Boeing.
    I never said who I worked for.
    I also said I never had access to or revealed any classified information, just had assess to a company intra-net hooked up with Lockheed, Boeing , Raytheon, ect...
    Most of what I've included as facts were available on publications like Scientific American, or Popular Mechanics, and employee websites inside the company firewalls, not available to the general public.

    The Nukes went from the Soviet states to control by the CIS in 91' and while most were dismantled in Islamic Soviet states to keep those warheads from falling into Muslim hands, the Russia federation has the same amount as the US and the megaton-age is tenfold as large - The Satan SS-20's.
    The average American warheads are the W-88 class and are only 2 megatons each.
    The disparity was allowed in the wording of the SALT treaties due to to the larger size of the American cites.

    The problem is even with an air-burst that doesn't vaporize a five mile crater a thousand feet deep, the shock wave will do exactly as I said, break every bone in your body....inside a bomb shelter 150 ft. deep even if the shelter is left intact.
    Some probably were designed with sophisticated shock absorbers, but the cost made it too expensive to produce in mass.
    That is one reason why the US abandoned the shelters back in the days of "Bert the turtle".
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  19. leopold Valued Senior Member

    compartmentalized on a need to know basis i guess.
  20. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member


    Megatonage is irrelevant when American nukes can litterally cut Russia off. The larger bombs are difficult to get to America -and- inaccurate. They would likely be shot down before becoming a threat.

    And no, no shockwave is going to turn people into bone-jelly even from such a bomb outside its effective range. Specifically in a shelter under ground. Nor can any bomb blow a thousand foot crater into the ground.

    You have no conception of understanding of nuclear weapons.
  21. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

    All that, really?

    -Megaton size is irreverent...
    -America cuts head off snake.
    -Large bombs to heavy anyway....shoot 'em down with a pistol.
    -No shockwaves...with 20 megaton nukes that put a mushroom cloud into the ionosphere, where symmetrical ice rings form around it from the cold of space.
    -No thousand foot craters.... despite blowing holes in the Marshall Islands you can see from orbit.
    -I have no conception......I see. :bugeye:

    You've been reading to many Captain America comic books kid.

    Bert the turtle knows what to do....
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  22. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member


    Megatonage becomes irrelevant when modern nuclear strategy is multiple-warhead. The reason why the Russians have bigger warheads is because they never developed reliable bombs like the Americans.

    And oh there will be shockwaves - but no shockwave that will turn someone into bone-jelly in a fortified shelter under ground. In fact, they probably could survive it in a bank vault rather easily.

    And relatively small holes can be seen from orbit. There were no "thousand foot deep holes" produced by any nuclear bomb above ground.
  23. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

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