The Psychology of The Dictatorial Parent

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Dredd, Sep 15, 2011.

  1. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    Is there a conversion from one side of the family-nation parent-government model to the other in the current building of a Homeland Security HQ that is larger than the Pentagon?

    (I mean a conversion from the Nurturant Parent model to the Strict-Father model.)

    Reference. :shrug:
     
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  3. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    secratocracy. I like that . I don't think it is all conspiracy like that . It is true administration is sucking all the cream off the top of the milk . More and more administrators are needed day by day . Enforcement being a goal creates that kind of atmosphere . You are as much to blame if you are American . Your one one of the conspirators by things you do every day . The quotes that attack business tell me so . Right wing kill the rich propaganda at its finest.

    Progressives comie ze hea . Give us an analysis with your analytical
    minds

    Right wing bull shit sales or left wing modified sales
     
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  5. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    Wee the People

    Experts have recently coined the phrase plutonomy because over 90% of wealth is held by 1-2% of the population.

    They control jobs or the lack of jobs.

    So why doesn't the media stop cowering in fear? Fear is not healthy in this context. They should say that the government does not really produce jobs, the wealthy 400 families do. Right?

    To the extent they do not do their jobs because of psychological fear impairment, they wee the people.

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  7. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    I think we need to elect our rich people..
     
  8. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    Too Late

    I suspect that was tongue in cheek.

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    Those are the only ones being elected in a plutonomy where it takes a billion to run for president.

    I think we need to overcome our fears to elect our poor people.

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  9. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Right wing, left wing, Dem, Rep.. none of it means shit to me. We are all people, there is no need for us to classify our selfs.
     
  10. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I think the world needs to do away with govt. all together. The world can follow the rule of one man.

    -First, get rid of all weapons except for the weapons the world dictator's small security unit would carry.
    -End all sovereignty
    -Elect a world leader
    -If the world leader fails the population of the world has the power to mob up and overthrow him or her.

    Idk just a quick alternative idea to the screwed up system in place now.
     
  11. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The wealthy do indeed create jobs, but if you're speaking specifically about the USA, they do not create jobs for the people of their own country.

    The Industrial Revolution reduced the number of jobs in the food production and distribution industry, from 99% of the human race 200 years ago (one member put it at 75%; okay my number may be high but I don't think I'm anywhere near that far off) to less than 10% today. But the technologies that comprise industry created millions of new jobs. So the net effect on the job market was to require people to adapt to new kinds of work--in many cases less physically stressful and more intellectually stimulating work. It did require, in aggregate, more education, specifically near-universal literacy, but public schools and an explosion of printed matter made that an easily achievable goal.

    The Electronic Revolution (Information Age, Computer Era, whatever you want to call it, but it began in the early 19th century with the first commercial telegraph) has had a similar effect. It automated many of the jobs that do not require more than a basic education, notably in the manufacturing sector. One would expect a similar paradigm shift to new kinds of work, and indeed there has been one: for example, fewer people operating punch presses, more people writing software.

    But today's shrinking world has something that the industrial world of 100 years ago did not have: the ability to move production offshore. The transportation technology at the turn of the last century did not make it possible to produce food, durable goods and other products in the countries whose people were willing to work for a subsistence wage and ship them to the wealthier countries. Today's transportation technology makes that not only possible but affordable. As a result, low-skill jobs are vanishing in the USA, but there is not a balancing growth in high-skill jobs; we can't adapt to this changeover by just sending all of our kids to college. (We have in fact tried that and they're still unemployed and sleeping on our sofas.)

    Of course this means that the people in China are undergoing a magnificent transformation. Perhaps you've opened a fortune cookie and found a little slip of paper that said (in surprisingly clear English) "Remember when fortunes were written in China and computers were made in America?"

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    Point: The wealthy are creating jobs, but the post-industrial economy allows them to take the easy route and create them for people in other countries. They don't have to take the hard route and invent new post-industrial jobs, when half the world has still not quite gone through the Industrial Revolution.

    This will change. Those jobs used to go to Japan, then Korea, now China, and already we see them migrating to places with even lower wages like Pakistan and Malaysia. When they finally end up in Angola and Tajikistan and Myanmar, there won't be anywhere else to offshore them to. Eventually the whole world will be industrialized and computerized. In order for people to be able to buy the products that the rich people want to sell, they're finally going to have to give those people jobs.

    Just in the past couple of decades the number of desperately poor people has shrunk from about 1/3 of the world population to ten percent! For the first time since anybody's been keeping track, less than half of the population of Africa is living in poverty!

    I know this is little consolation to an American who can't find work. But it does mean that those rich guys who run the corporations that employ tens of millions of Chinese workers should be a little more charitable to their own countrymen, rather than screaming for less federal spending (during the worst recession since I was born???) and lower taxes (when they're at their lowest level in several decades???)
    When rich people occasionally do run for office, the results are dismal. Remember Ross Perot? They know how to spend money but they don't have the charisma necessary for success in politics. I used to work for one of Warren Buffett's companies so I know him a little better than most people and I rather like him--as "filthy rich" people go he's not half bad. But his "people skills" are atrocious. He'd never win a primary, much less a general election.

    I don't know if this is true in other countries. It seems like there are always a couple of wealthy people among Europe's national leaders. Maybe this is because they have a tradition of aristocracy and we don't.
    I appreciate your disappointment with the current system. But don't be like Charles Dickens, looking from the dark side of a Paradigm Shift (in his case the Industrial Revolution, in yours the Information Age) and assuming that things will never get any better.

    The whole point of a Paradigm Shift (with capitals) is that civilization itself is undergoing fundamental changes. Just look at the first one, the Agricultural Revolution, when humans had to overcome their instinct to live in small clans of nomadic hunter-gatherers, and settle in one permanent location, tend crops and herds, and learn to live in harmony and cooperation with people they didn't know very well. Then the rise of cities, when they had to learn to live among total strangers and respect the authority of a government.

    Compared to that, the transition to a post-industrial civilization will be a piece of cake.

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  12. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    wasn't talking about electing them to run the country,i was talking about electing the people to be rich..
    Vote NMSquirrel for Rich Person..i will spend that money in america, i will create jobs for americans..
    (of course this position has to come with an accountant..)
     
  13. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The problem with democracy in an oversize country like ours is that the government has a large number of levels, and to reach the top one must win a large number of elections.

    If you look at the government of a small town, you'll typically find quite a few people who are actually good at running the utilities, the schools, the jail, etc. But as they work their way up into the county government, the state government, and finally the national government, this gauntlet selects for only two traits:
    • They want power
    • They know how to be popular.
    Notice carefully that "They know how to run a government" and "They care about the welfare of their constituents" are not on that short list. For that matter, neither is "They are honorable and trustworthy."

    So the idea of electing someone to office and expecting him to deliver on his campaign promises, to make your life better, and to improve civilization in this country and elsewhere, is hopelessly naive. If you don't believe me, just look at the jackasses who are already there.
     
  14. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    i believe you..but this comes down to how do we fix it?
     
  15. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Slooooowly. This didn't happen overnight, and it won't go away overnight.

    The situation is hardly bad enough to warrant a revolution. The change curve for a revolution usually has an extremely deep and wide valley of despair at the beginning. Twenty years after Perestroika, which was only a mild revolution by historical standards (very little bloodshed or destruction of property), many of the people in eastern Europe and central Asia are no better off than they started under communism.
     
  16. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    In Loco Parentis

    "But there’s a growing consensus among scientists that the relationship between us and our microbes is much more of a two-way street. With new technologies that allow scientists to better identify and study the organisms that live in and on us, we’ve become aware that bacteria, though tiny, are powerful chemical factories that fundamentally affect how the human body functions. They are not simply random squatters, but organized communities that evolve with us and are passed down from generation to generation. Through research that has blurred the boundary between medical and environmental microbiology, we’re beginning to understand that because the human body constitutes their environment, these microbial communities have been forced to adapt to changes in our diets, health, and lifestyle choices. Yet they, in turn, are also part of our environments, and our bodies have adapted to them. Our dinner guests, it seems, have shaped the very path of human evolution." (Link).

    One has to wonder if this will lead to an understanding that helps to perfect parenting? Obviously humans are not in full control or full understanding of the import of new science. (See for example this link). :shrug:

    (This is offered for contemplation RE: In general the 1% do not eat the same foods or drink the same wines that the 99% eat ... relevant yet?)
     
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  17. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    There's no way out through voting because the rich own and manipulate that already. Once upon a time we thought that voting for the other party or someone new would make a change but alas today that isn't true so voting means more of the same thing just by new people.
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Think I'm still in that Valley of Despair. I don't see a way out. The increasingly entrenched complexity and resistance of the conservative block seems to preclude true socialism. And revolution is as horrifying a prospect as one could want.
     
  19. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    The Richer Space

    In addition to having a different microbial inner ecosystem than the 99% (see my comment just above yours concerning human-microbe symbiosis), some of the 1% dream about leaving us here after messing the place up:

    "The super-rich may evolve into a separate species entirely in the future due to enhancements in biotechnology and robotic engineering, American futurologist Paul Saffo has said. "​


    (Will Humans Evolve Into Machines, quoting The Telegraph). Yep, they are a wiggy bunch I tells ya ...

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  20. Dredd Dredd Registered Senior Member

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    Cq cq cq

    That is a valid observation, I mean it reflects reality here and now. The recent events in microbiology research may provide more hope ... in that our politics may not be the only factor in our future.

    The microbes seem to be saying "be symbionts to each other, take care of each other, like we take care of you".

    I am working for that message to get through.
     
  21. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Ah true. I wish you well of your efforts. Paradigm change is a bugger.
     

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