The psychology of atheists and theists

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. It is possible to understand Darwinian evolution but not accept it. It is possible to not understand Darwinian evolution but accept it.

    You neither accept it nor understand it.
    There are plenty of versions of God where God did not create everything. Buddhism and Jainism, for example, do not posit that God created everything.

    Do not fall into the common trap of ego, that your version of God is the only possible version.
     
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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.
    What did Starlin do that suggests atheism is a bad thing.
    Yes here in my lounge room many times.
    Great..set it aside and roll it out for your friends.
    I feel the same about you Jan.
    I have been thinking about an eternal universe now long enough to know its real.
    Its like I always knew but have been in denial.
    It fits the observations and all the evidence.
    Further the science of the big bang supports it☺
    There are so many levels.
    I think this is what the folk back in the bronze age were really saying.

    Alex
     
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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Let me help here...the Universe is eternal and needed no creator...what other explanation makes so much sense☺
    Alex
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    That's interesting seeing as neither of those religious traditions are theistic.

    That would make sense if I had one.

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  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, any proposition this broad in scope and consequence needs rigorous examination and from examining Scriptural autheticity at least great modification, such as Evolution and Natural selection.

    Unnatural events are by definition subject to verification and explanation. Else you cannot call it verification, but mass illusion.

    You belief in God is noted, I think it's unwarranted. And as you are making the claim, you know your scientific obligation before your belief can be considered as valid.
     
  9. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Try to not be afraid to admit you are not a theist.

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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That warning is wasted, IMO.
    It's all about ego and prejudicial exclusivity. The "chosen ones" is a theist term, not an atheist term...

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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Ah yes, the arrogance of the religious believer.

    If your ego will allow you, look up Brahma, one of the deities of Buddhism.
     
  12. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Once someone believes something without proper evidence, they are stuck in it & rarely can anyone escape. Any contradictory evidence & opinion hits a stone wall. They have put on blinders & dark glasses & ear muffs & cannot see or hear clearly. Their mind is in a sensory deprivation tank. They stumble about in the dark yet try to have others follow them while condemning those who can see the light.
    They will say, do & even think any thing, regardless of logic & facts, to support or pretend to support their belief. Absolutely nothing they say can be trusted. What they think or pretend to think is sensible is nonsense but truth & logic is seen by them as nonsense.
    Sometimes they can see another in this condition yet cannot recognize their own.
     
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  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    They know what they are talking about.
    That there is science without God.
    Yes. All your claims here about anything scientific have been false or impossible to evaluate.
    That's false.
    And so is that.
    Same way there is - still being investigated, btw.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not simple arrogance - That was posted in a thread right next to the one in which Jan claims that all religious traditions and every human following them are theistic.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What I find amusing is that in court we swear "on the bible" to tell the truth, but I know of no court which would allow the introduction of biblical scripture itself as factual historical evidence.
    i.e. the bible cannot swear on itself that it is historical truth. Riddle me that one....

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  16. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    If an omnipotent being who created everything exists, how can anything exist without it? Obviously, IF an omnipotent being created everything, there cannot be anything without it. Which means nothing due to the assumption that an omnipotent being who created everything exists.
    A brain must be twisted like a pretzel for such absurdity.

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  17. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Anyone who swears on the bible should not be trusted to tell the truth.
    "1 minute, Judge & Attorneys, I must read tea leaves before testifying."

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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A circular no-no........

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  19. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Given this thread also invites discussion about the psychology of atheists, I can't resist ....

    So what, pray tell, do Buddhists and Jains advocate as being behind/the cause of the creation of the universe, and how do they incorporate the existence of God into such an understanding?

    /grabs popcorn.
     
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  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe this judge would allow the Holy Babble as evidence in court : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore#Ten_Commandments_monument_controversy

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  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That is invalid.
    Creating something does not make other ways of its coming into existence impossible.
    In the case of the world we know, those other ways are so plausible as to make the creation not only unnecessary but unlikely.
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I'll start you off with a quote from a Buddhist scholar and then let you do your own research.

    The third school of thought says that the beginning of this world and of life is inconceivable since they have neither beginning nor end. Buddhism is in accordance with this third school of thought. Bertrand Russell supports this school of thought by saying, 'There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our thoughts.' - K. Sri Dhammananda Maha Thera
     
  23. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    And the "God" bit?
     

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