The Phoenix lights - aliens, hoax or mistaken identity?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by James R, Nov 26, 2014.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    This happened in 1997. The first cell phone with a built-in camera was manufactured by Samsung and released in South Korea in June of 2000.
     
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  3. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    My cell phone takes ok video in good lighting. Practically worthless at night.
     
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  5. river

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    Hmmm.....

    Kittamaru

    Investigate , thoroughly

    There are witnesses and including the govenor of Arizona

    These flares where more than an hour after the reports of sightings
     
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  7. Kittamaru Suppose it makes sense. Wearing a bit thin. Valued Senior Member

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    I am not capable of "investigating thoroughly" - I cannot go there, examine the witnesses, corroborate their stories, etc
     
  8. river

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    Well I can tell you this , with certainty

    The then Governor saw the craft himself
     
  9. Kittamaru Suppose it makes sense. Wearing a bit thin. Valued Senior Member

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    Correction - he saw something. A UFO, by definition, is unidentified. UFO does not equate to extraterrestrial
     
  10. river

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    No he saw the craft
     
  11. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    He saw a craft of unknown origin. What is more plausible, that humans have been secretly building such craft on Earth, or that we are being visited by extraterrestrials? I don't think it is so far fetched to think that ET could be coming here. If FTL travel is possible, it makes the universe a whole lot smaller.
     
  12. river

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    True

    And the craft he saw was triangular in shape

    ET is coming here and we are building our own craft
     
  13. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    I want to believe, but I can't fully commit to it.
     
  14. river

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    Its not so much about belief , as it is the evidence , be a different kind of detective , instead of a crime scene , the scene is UFOs
     
  15. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    Thats correct, and the evidence that we currently have just isn't quite enough.
     
  16. river

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    Actually , the evidence is more than enough
     
  17. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    I think zgmc was saying that there is not enough evidence for a rational person.
     
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  18. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    The eye witness accounts, and mass sightings are compelling, and can't be ignored, they just aren't enough to declare that ET is here. At the same time, you can't be certain that we aren't being visited.
     
  19. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Of course I cannot be certain we are not being visited by aliens, but you know the saying, and it sure as hell applies here, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
     
  20. river

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    The extraordinary evidence is there
     
  21. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    Not really.
     
  22. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    Thats what I was getting at.
     
  23. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    Please provide a source to the evidence. This stuff is interesting to me.
     

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