The Perfect Clock

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Asexperia, Oct 18, 2017.

  1. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Speed affects just the ticking of the clocks, not time.
    Let's use two graduated candles to see if they
    are consumed at different rates. One on the ground and
    the other on a satellite.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    And by what method do you propose the speed affects "just the ticking of the clocks"? It affects digital and mechanical clocks the same way.

    Please, enlighten us.
     
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  5. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    You do realize that candles can be used as clocks? So the 'speed' would know that the candle was a clock and the candle in the satellite would burn slower.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is not conjecture. We've done the work.

    We have experimentally confirmed that anything we've been able to test at relativistic velocities experiences time dilation.
     
  8. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    While the OP is, of course, quite naive and his statements about physics wrong, you are wrong too.

    The hypothesis that there exists a Newtonian background of absolute space and time is not at all shown to be "factually incorrect". And the idea of a perfect clock is not at all contradictory. The hypothesis that a preferred frame exists is, in combination with the hypothesis that all clocks and rulers are distorted by gravity and speed, viable, compatible with all of modern physics.

    Instead, the hypothesis that we live in an Einsteinian relativistic universe (one with relativistic symmetry on the fundamental level, instead of relativistic symmetry as an approximate large distance symmetry) is in fundamental conflict with quantum theory. The evidence for this is well-known - the failure even to construct a theory of quantum gravity with full relativistic symmetry.
     
  9. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Of the Becoming-duration duality (time):
    - The becoming flows to different rhythm.
    - The duration are variable intervals.
    - Time is the constant succession of equal periods.

    The speed affects just the becoming-duration (the frequency of
    oscillation of the clocks).
     
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  10. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm, my heart oscillates about 65 times per minute when resting, will my heart rate slow down when I travel fast?
     
  11. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    ... what? No, seriously... what? "Of the Brecoming-duration duality" - that is word salad and means nothing.
    "The becoming flows" - the "becoming"? What, is this like pre-coming or something? How can an adjective do anything...?

    "the duration are variable intervals" - well... yeah? That's kind of the point - that time moves slower at high speed than it does at low speed.

    "time is the constant succession of equal periods" - according to whom? What dictates time has to behave the same at all times regardless of reference point? The reference point is kind of the key here when dealing with superluminal velocities.
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Newton's Laws also conflict with quantum theory.
    If all clocks and rulers are distorted by gravity and speed, there is no preferred frame.
     
  13. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    I've got it!
    An hour glass is your perfect clock! No oscillations!

    However, we still have that pesky problem that time is not absolute and the fact that time passes at different rates in different reference frames. Darn!
     
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  14. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Time going slow here waiting waiting

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    And nobody has challenged how

    Time runs slower at the bottom of a tallbuilding (not by much but with today's instruments measurable) than at the top of the building

    Why does the whole of the building remain inthe present?

    What stops the bottom of the building slipping into the past while the top moves into the future?


    In the tall building the last grain of sand in the top floor hourglass has hit the sand pile in the bottom, but the last grain of sand in the bottom hourglass has not quite made it

    Take that Asexperia

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  15. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    The waiting is the hardest part.

    Waiting is...
     
  16. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Time wasted regardless whether it is slow time or fast time

    Which for me to is very strange because I hold the view that time does not exist

    Weird

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  17. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    I was just quoting Tom Petty and Robert Heinlein. A little dressing to go with Asexperia's word salad.

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  18. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    There are three kinds of becoming: periodic, individual and quantum.

    In the quantum becoming time disappears because the phenomena are ruled
    by chance.
     
  19. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Whatever the hell are you talking about? "Three kinds of becoming"...?

    Google that and give me a search result that has anything to do with what you are trying to explain. This feels like a language barrier issue and the result of a bad online translator...
     
  20. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    The concept of becoming is philosophical, and in Philochrony means:
    the continuous succession of changes.
     
  21. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Ah, and here we hit on the issue... Philochrony... which as far as I can see from a cursory search, is a load of bologna...
     
  22. Equinox Registered Member

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    I feel myself becoming bored with Asexperia - he appears to be a periodic individual talking out of his quantum rectum.

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    I believe their is a cure for Philochrony

    P.S: A similar subject was relegated to the pseudo science section some time ago:
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/reference-frames-according-to-philochrony.133165/
     
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  23. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    No. To quantize a theory with Newtonian interaction potential is quite trivial, the same math as for the hydrogen atom.
    First, you mingle "is not observable" with "there is no".
    Then, it does not even follow that such distortions prevent accurate measurements. It is a very special property of relativity, namely that all types of clocks and rulers are distorted in the same way, which makes accurate measurements problematic.
     

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