# The Paul File

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1. ### TiassaLet us not launch the boat ...Staff Member

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Paul's Growth in Iowa

Paul's Growth in Iowa

So there is that growth for the Paul campaign, in an NBC/Marist poll of Iowa caucusers:

With less than a month before the Iowa caucus, GOP presidential candidate and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich has surged into the lead, but Texas Rep. Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who could best President Obama, a new Iowa poll says.

According to the latest NBC/Marist poll, Gingrich is the first choice among 26 percent of Republican caucus-goers, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney with 18 percent and Paul with 17 percent.

The poll represents a dramatic shift in the race. In October, Romney led the field in Iowa with 26 percent, while Gingrich only received a paltry 5 percent of the vote.

One might quibble with that Daily Caller analysis, but the difference is insignificant:

via MSNBC

As we see, the twenty-six percent for Gingrich comes in response to a question about undecided voters in a primary (?), while the actual caucus question gives Gingrich twenty-four percent. It's not much of a difference.

Indeed, we might pass beyond Claramella's strange flub of the numbers in order to point out that Rep. Ron Paul has moved into third place, trailing Mitt Romney within the margin of error.

Meanwhile, in conservative South Carolina, which is third up in the primary season, Congressman Paul rated all of five percent in a recent TPC survey, though we do not yet have numbers describing the post-Cain GOP landscape in the Palmetto State.

Among registered voters in Iowa, Paul polled the strongest among the GOP candidates when matched against President Obama, achieving a dead heat at 42% each. Nationwide numbers suggest a different story, though Obama's 7.7% lead over Paul according to RealClearPolitics is somewhat obsolete, running only from late October through mid-November.

The question of Paul's growing support, then, is whether the Iowa numbers are outliers or the advent of a new trend. As many of Paul's supporters will note, the Texas congressman is widely ignored by the mainstream media. One wonders how increased exposure will affect his numbers. Will swing voters flock toward Paul's faux-libertarian extremism? Will they relish the notion of a president with a crippled streamlined cabinet? Are they ready to do away with central banking? Will they rally to the potential oldest president ever inaugurated?

At the very least, the Iowa numbers might point toward an interesting January. Mitt Romney will likely not be shut out come the official primary season; he leads in New Hampshire by a comfortable margin. Still, though, Romney faces a potentially rough month, maybe even 1-3 in January. He trails currently in Iowa, South Carolina, and Florida, and that showing in January could lead to devastating February, which kicks off in Nevada and Maine; Mr. Romney led in the one, and trailed in the other, but those numbers are old, dating back to October when Herman Cain was still a potent factor in the GOP contest. If Gingrich picks up Cain's Nevada votes, for instance, and Romney limps into February with only one victory, the former Massachusetts governor, once considered the nominal nominee, might well hear the bells tolling his name.

The question of Ron Paul, of course, only complicates the issue further; he may well draw some of The Hermanator's supporters, leaving an opening for Romney to slip past Gingrich. There is a good possibility that the cultish curmudgeon could end up playing spoiler to the conservative wing, with Mitt Romney the beneficiary.

Interesting times, indeed. Proverbially so? We'll see.
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Notes:

Claramella, C. J. "Gingrich leads, but Paul most likely to beat Obama in latest Iowa poll". The Daily Caller. December 5, 2011. DailyCaller.com. December 5, 2011. http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/05/g...ost-likely-to-beat-obama-in-latest-iowa-poll/

NBC News and Marist. "2012 Republican Presidential Primary/Caucus State Questionnaire Iowa". December, 2011. MSNBCmedia.MSN.com. December 5, 2011. http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/S...y_Stories_Teases/111204_NBCMarist_Iowa_6a.pdf

The Polling Company. "Presidential Primary Ballot Test—South Carolina". November, 2011. RealClearPolitics.com. December 5, 2011. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2011/PollingCompany_SC_1122.pdf

RealClearPolitics. "President Obama vs. Republican Candidates". (n.d.) RealClearPolitics.com. December 5, 2011. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

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3. ### Michael歌舞伎Valued Senior Member

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What is: Paul's faux-libertarian extremism?

5. ### TiassaLet us not launch the boat ...Staff Member

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The Sad Joke Exploiting the Stupid

In truth, I hadn't expected the phrase to be problematic to anyone who actually paid attention to Rep. Paul; not even to those who disagree with it.

So we'll split it into two parts for you, Michael, and then put them back together:

Faux-libertarian: For all we hear from Ron Paul's supporters about his "libertarian" love of "freedom", the underlying agenda is anything but.

extremism: Paul would stratify society, reducing the freedom of the majority of American citizens, in order to secure the liberty of the tyrant for the uppermost stratum.​

In short, Ron Paul is willing to exploit an unruly mass of disenchanted selfish people into a so-called "libertarian" dimension by which real freedom is reserved for the few at the expense of the many.

For instance, I think it's hilarious that some Paul supporters think a leftist like me can be bought off with legalization of marijuana. I mean, sure. I suppose if I get high enough and stay that way, I won't notice his exclusion of women from liberty, nor the inevitable stratification and plutocracy that will result from his machinations toward government dressed up as an anti-government argument. It's not big government that he opposes, but, rather, big government that infringes on the freedom of a small minority to exercise privilege over the broader societal majority.

The fact that so many wannabe "libertarians" have leapt blindly onto the Ron Paul bandwagon is a working example of why I think libertarianism is a sad joke used to exploit the stupid.

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^:roflmao:

8. ### Billy TUse Sugar Cane Alcohol car FuelValued Senior Member

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"... Congressman Ron Paul recently issued this somber warning:

“At the present time the Chinese have backed off from what they’re loaning us, interest rates are starting to go up, inflation factors are coming up. “Believe me, that next step is a currency crisis because there will be a rejection of the dollar. The rejection of the dollar is a big, big event.” ..."

I don't know when he said this, certainly less than a year ago, but note he does not tell when this "big event" will seriously hurt. I did five years ago:

I posted there would be a run on the dollar by or before Halloween 2014, with rapid (a few months) conversion to worst ever depression in US & EU, but only a mild and brief recession in China and China's suppliers of energy, food stocks, raw materials, (including lumber and paper pulp as well as minerals) in Brazil, Australia, Canada and a few others, who will become "economic colonies" of prospering Asian nations. I.e. continue as suppliers of these low value added goods and import the higher value goods produced in Asia, especially China, Japan, & S. Korea.

This is already happening: Many Brazil's industries have closed ("De-industrialization" it is called) but both agricultural exports and Asian imports are up. In contrast, the US is exporting less, even with dollar losing value. For example China has displaced the US as a supplier of imported cars and only three years ago, sent none to Brazil. With many Americans in financial trouble, US's imports fell more than its exports did, so the trade deficit improved.

Ron Paul, has some ideas that might have helped if applied 20 years ago, but now it is too late. GWB's depression is now inevitable and the Euro's problems will just make it come sooner. - About 1/3 of US exports went to EU, but they are dropping now. If the ECB does what all are asking it to (print Euros to buy many bonds of the PIIGS) then, both the US and the Euro 17 nations will be in a race to see which can lower the value of their currency faster. I.e. Kiss the purchasing power of Dollars and Euros good by.

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9. ### The EsotericistGetting the message to GarciaValued Senior Member

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Holy shit.

And you call me paranoid. Give me one instance where the man lies or deceives. This politician has more integrity than all the others rolled up and combined.

You are such a partisan, you will make unqualified and slanderous statements rather than discuss issues. If anyone did this to your candidate you would fly off in a rage and say they were disingenuous and completely unsubstantiated statements. Get real and grow up. Obama has been born out to be more of a liar and betrayer of his supporters than this candidate. If Paul gets the nomination more Progressives will vote form him, including the biggest progressive of them all, Ralph Nadar. That is how pathetic your candidate and your arguments are. Grow up and learn politics.

10. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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In general, if you are going to attack someone else for not "learning" politics, it behooves you to not make dumb mistakes in your own post. It makes the post look somewhat hypocritical.

11. ### The EsotericistGetting the message to GarciaValued Senior Member

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http://prospect.org/article/ron-paul-ties-gingrich-iowa

Ron Paul closes on Newt Gingrich: In time to win Iowa?

The fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter one whit what the establishment thinks of him, they have very little number of votes. It only matters what the voters think of him, and he tells the truth.

As the election nears. . . he is telling more and more of it. Here is a VERY candid little gem I dug up that will absolutely shock some people that don't know any better. I used to kind of wonder where he stood. If this doesn't convince Tiassa that he is the genuine article, and that Obama is the evil bitch, nothing will. Remember, Obama is the one that hired bankers to be in HIS Cabinet.

Ron Paul talks about the secret societies

12. ### The EsotericistGetting the message to GarciaValued Senior Member

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I don't follow, what's your problem?

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14. ### Billy TUse Sugar Cane Alcohol car FuelValued Senior Member

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NIA = National Inflation Association, a bunch of “gold bugs” with large following now that IMO they use for “pump & dump” profits. I.e. will recommend stock, tell that they have no ownership in it (or what they have and how long they will hold before selling) but the owners of NIA surely have large positions established before the “pump.” None the less AFAIK, they don’t make facts up and do turn up some undervalued stocks, especially in the precious metals area. Anyway they posted the following yesterday:

“... A "moneybomb" is being held for Ron Paul today and he has so far raised over $3.8 million. NIA's co-founders will be donating to Ron Paul's campaign this evening. Let's push his total for the day above$4 million! If you would like to also support his campaign by making a donation you can do so by going to: http://www.ronpaul2012.com

NIA just released a must see video showing why we support Ron Paul and believe he is the only candidate worthy of being elected as our next President. To watch NIA's Ron Paul video, please go to: http://www.inflation.us/videos.html ...”

15. ### The EsotericistGetting the message to GarciaValued Senior Member

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Public Media Censors Ron Paul's Campaign Ads!

Banned US Commercial about the national debt

"A new television ad about the U.S. national debt produced by Citizens Against Government Waste has been deemed "too controversial" by major networks including ABC, A&E and The History Channel and will not be shown on those channels. The commercial is an homage to a 1986 ad that was entitled "The Deficit Trials" that was also banned by the major networks. Apparently telling the truth about the national debt is a little too "hot" for the major networks to handle. But perhaps it is time to tell the American people the truth. In 1986, the U.S. national debt was around 2 trillion dollars. Today, it is rapidly approaching 14 trillion dollars. The American Dream is being ripped apart right in front of our eyes, but apparently some of the major networks don't want the American people to really understand what is going on.

The truth is that the ad does not even have anything in it that should be offensive. The commercial is set in the year 2030, and the main character is a Chinese professor that is seen lecturing his students on the fall of great empires. As images of the United States are shown on a screen behind him, the Chinese professor tells his students the following about the behavior of great empires: "They all make the same mistakes. Turning their backs on the principles that made them great. America tried to spend and tax itself out of a great recession. Enormous so-called "stimulus" spending, massive changes to health care, government takeover of private industries, and crushing debt."

Perhaps it is what the Chinese Professor says next that is alarming the big television networks: "Of course, we owned most of their debt, so now they work for us"."

16. ### adoucetteCaca OccursValued Senior Member

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It's not an issue of telling the truth, since it is dealing with a sci-fi look at a potential future.

But in doing so it also portrays the Chinese as laughing at the downfall of the US.

17. ### joepistoleDeacon BluesValued Senior Member

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Did ABC and A&E ban this commercial or is this you and your fellows playing the victim card because you don't have enough money to run the ad? I bet you believe every thing you find on the internet that feeds your biases. And forgive me, but your saying something does not make it true. Where is your proof?

Here are a couple of things for you to think about. One, I have seen this ad run on TV. So what happened to the censors you were talking about? Two, there are many other media outlets besides ABC and A&E (e.g. the well know conservative/Republican and biased Fox News). And if a network did refuse to play the ad, I can certainly understand why as it plays heavily on the worst of human traits - racism. And it misstates & lies about the real issues the nation now faces which is unfortunately not uncommon when it comes to right wing ads and commentary.

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19. ### joepistoleDeacon BluesValued Senior Member

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Nice duck/diversion, now answer the question I previously put to you about the ad you claimed was being censored. Where is your proof it was banned.

Where is your evidence that the media is banning the commercial as you have previously claimed?

Two, the ad you posted does play heavily on racism and is devoid of fact and reason. And that has nothing to do with CNN response. I suggest you stay on topic and support your claims. But we both know you cannot support your wild ass claims. That is why you are attempting the diversion.

20. ### The EsotericistGetting the message to GarciaValued Senior Member

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Sure Joe, they had enough to make the commercial, hire the actors, and Ron Paul supporters raise millions of dollars, but they can't afford to run the commercial. W/E.

How is it racist?

Lastly. . . that is my point, censorship. This is your opinion, and the opinion of the establishment. I don't think that is a lie, I think this is the central issue and the main cause that is deteriorating the economy and finances of the country. The corporate oligarchy has robbed the wealth of the middle classes, kept them ignorant, and dumbed them down through control of the media and their education systems. Look at your ignorant view of politics and the media for example. And now you are actively in support of his campaign commercials being censored???

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22. ### joepistoleDeacon BluesValued Senior Member

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They did have the money to run the ad. I saw it. But now that they have run out of money, they are trying to get additional mileage by spreading more misinformation - claiming the ad was banned.
You are mixing issues. Look at the ad, the content plays heavily on racism and misinformation. That is a different issue from the alleged "banning fiction".

Well you see the issue here is you claim that the commercial was censored and that networks refused to air the ad. But you have yet to produce any proof. People who make such wild claims should have some proof before they come to that conclusion and pass it on. So where is your proof?

The content of the ad is another matter. It is racist and plays on fear and anger. It has virtually no material information related to the national debt; the impact of the debt and solutions to the debt issues. The ad is intended to scare people and inspire an irrational action. That is what fear ads do - inspire irrational actions by the viewer.

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23. ### adoucetteCaca OccursValued Senior Member

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You are SO gullible.

This AD has nothing to do with Ron Paul.