I am still on the "limit population" side, I just understand the obstacles. If you reread all my posts in this thread, I wasn't advocating either, just describing the situation as it is. Setting up limits can only work on the national level because one country has no right to intervene in other's internal politics. Since overpopulation is not a problem in the West, it is the 3rd world countries (yes, India too) where something has to be done, or well, they will just starve, what I don't really care about because I simply can not care or bear the suffering of everyone. There will always be poverty, hunger and suffering no matter what we do.