The origin of life

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by Xmo1, Oct 22, 2017.

  1. Qedlin Saltum Registered Member

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    Science is the proper instrument for working out how the universe works, but some of the so-called workers irrationally insist that the existence of the laws and mechanisms of the creation of the universe and its progression precludes a Designer and Creator: totally unjustified and prejudicially biased and unscientific. There is no rational justification for you bringing in the pope or your other nonsensical references.
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Repeat

    So which out of all scientific discovery DON'T go beyond science into philosophy, metaphysical reality, religion and belief system ?

    I've left out

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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Pot, kettle, Black! You are kidding are you not?
    Hypocrisy and close mindedness is the exclusive "qualities" of all religions.
    I just answered in the thread, re "the universe being made for intelligent life"
    "No to the question in the OP heading. Probably intuitively it may seem that way as the universe appears finely tuned for life. But the facts are, if it wasn't that way, we would not be here. see.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle
    If some still think that some intelligence was necessary, or a deity as you suggest, Carl Sagan puts it rather succulently ......

    And of course although still rather speculatively, how we came to be, that is the universe/space/time, planets, stars, us, from what we would call nothing is explained here
    https://www.astrosociety.org/publication/a-universe-from-nothing/

    In essence then a deity or some all powerful deity not only seems beyond logic but also superfluous.
    The Darwinian theory of evolution is really beyond doubt, and Abiogenesis, is really the only scientific answer available for how life came to be. Chemistry and chemical reactions are the obvious answer.

    The BB is a powerful and well supported theory of the evolution of space/time/universe, and while only being a limited theory in that it does not tell us the how and why, and only goes back as far as t+10-43 seconds, will in all likelyhood be encompassed by any future validated QGT, whether that be an infinite universe or a type of cyclic one...It has that much going for it".

    What question needs to be asked now, is that this is a science section, and any ID is a non scientific explanation.
     
  8. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    This is quite untrue, Paddo. Hypocrisy and closed-mindedness can occur in any human activity, including science. Religion has no monopoly on them, nor are they necessarily intrinsic to religion.

    Where I obviously agree with you is that it is neither closed-minded nor hypocritical to exclude ID from science, for the reasons I have outlined in this thread.
     
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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Half right, it certainly is not exclusive to religion, agreed, but evidence certainly shows it is intrinsic to religion.
     
  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Intrinsic would mean more than simply that it can be found in some - or even most - religious people. It would need to be in all, or else built into religious doctrines in demonstrable, e.g. documentary form. I think you will have trouble showing that. I have come across plenty of open-minded and not apparently hypocritical religious people, including clergymen.
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I'm speaking of religion per se, not religious people particularly:
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Would you mind posting this again, as the formatting has gone wrong, making it hard to distinguish your words from mine?
     
  13. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Agree
    While not a monopoly certainly the lion's share
    I would go with hypocrisy fitting into religion intrinsically like a debit card fits into a ATM - made for each other

    So am I - (but a lot of the people fit the mould shhhh)

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  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Or a hand in a glove, or GR with the BB, or Donald and Daisy duck, or Trump and irrationality, or a fish in water.......

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    I'm pretty sure that was obvious.

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