The one theology book all atheists really should read

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Musika, Aug 19, 2018.

  1. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Well, sure ... and that is called literature studies. Funnily enough, on this site we also have numerous fan finction and sci-fi themed "science" threads, so I would argue what you are talking about exists more as a "science" thing than a "theological" thing.
     
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  3. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Lol
    You must have magical realist on ignore, which is probably a good move.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Poe's Law applies.
    But on the off chance that I'm not spoiling a sendup: you need to check out the average theist a bit more carefully. This bad faith stealth fundie crap being posted in Sciforums is from above average theists - way above average.
     
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  7. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, sir, I do. I should do the same with Iceaura as well. As a matter of fact, I'll do that right now.

    He'll be free to rant all he wants, and I won't have to suffer through the illogic and histrionics he spews on the table.

    Thank you!
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds like someone is getting abit emotional. I leave you to your own unwarranted assumptions.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is a false equivalence."IOW" dies not apply. The second does not follow from the first.

    Religion may be stacked to the hilt with philosophy, but it does not necessarily follow that philosophy is stacked to the hilt with religion.


    In the same way 'Astrology is stacked to the hilt with Astronomy', is not, IOW, 'Astronomy is stacked to the hilt with Astrology'.
     
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  10. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    When you want to transgress history in order to transgress philosophy, it just takes your discussion further away from credibility, rather than further towards it.
     
  11. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I never said it was ... after all, one can form philosophical arguments that have no inherent theological substance or even arguments that are atheistic.

    It was a response to a claim that theology bears no representation in philosophy. History, or least history on the planet earth (since we are talking about MR here) does not illustrate that claim.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you did. As the quotes show.

    That's better.
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Dibs on first identification of the bullshit "when" - a candidate for replacing the bullshit "if", which is beginning to smell funny.
     
  14. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Massive difference between saying "one can launch a philosophical argument without religion" and "one can launch an analysis of philosophy as a category without religion".
     
  15. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Musika, are you using "transgress" properly? That didn't sound right to me.
     
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Of course not.
    He also misused "philosophy", "religion", and "discussion".
    He misuses about a third of his vocabulary in these posts, as a rough estimate, in a manner almost identical to Jan Ardena's and others of the ilk on this forum in the past - producing a characteristic overt Abrahamic theist's wordfog.

    The function - if not the purpose, which is unknowable - is to forestall accountability for the assertions and innuendos and implications being communicated.
     
  17. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Does anybody know what word he wants?
     
  18. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    While I agree with you, it is interesting that this is an approach taken, consciously or not, by several frequent posters on this forum (and not just in the religious forums).

    Sometimes it's misusing words, sometimes it's using words in a way that might be technically correct but when they aren't commonly used that way, and sometimes it's just using words when a more common one would be clearer and make their posts easier to read.

    There's also the post that is too long for the point that is being attempted to be made.
     
  19. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    A Star Trek helmet?
     
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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    To paraphrase: You said that religion is filled with philosophy - "in other words" you can't discuss philosophy without referring to religion.

    That is a non sequitur.

    Giving it the benefit of the doubt, I'll say you're too smart for your own good. I observe that your style of elaborate delivery tends to mask dodgy sleight-of-hand tactics.

    If I were less generous, I would instead classify you as Iceaura et al does: as a poseur.

    Either way, it's hard to trust that you speak in good faith when you do this. Speaking more plainly would earn you more credence. If your cases are sound, that should not be a problem. Only if your cases are unsound would stripping away the finery be a problem.
     
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  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Astrology, alchemy, and demonology are all parts of history too. But that doesn't make them legitimate fields of study.
     
  22. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I imagine that if Iceaura got burgled he would describe the appearance of the perpetrator to the police as "abrahamic".
     
  23. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    By "transgress", I was implying that one destroys the integrity of a system for the sake of lending creedence to or bolstering one's ego or vanity or party politics. I could have used "violate" , but I wanted to suggest that its failure reverberates at a systematic level rather than egoistic one.
    For instance, if one insisted on studying philosophy on the express condition that it not touch any religious issues, that in turn would carry a fault into how history was approached, and then politics and so and so forth and so on. Destroying an entire system for the sake of floating a mere detail does not make the detail stronger. It makes it weaker because it is not strung between any of the traditional tensions or polemics that establish integrity.... kind of like the celebration of Kims artistic, sporting and intellectual capacity in North Korea.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...nating-facts-Kim-Jong-il-and-North-Korea.html

    "According to his biography, he first picked up a golf club in 1994, at North Korea's only golf course, and shot a 38-under par round that included no fewer than 11 holes in one. Satisfied with his performance, he reportedly immediately declared his retirement from the sport."

    Should he ever decide to come out of retirement, these anecdotes will not make his game better.
     
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