Over the years technology has helped liberate more than just a few individuals from the devil’s-grip called religions. The result is more or less agnosticism, Gnosticism and especially atheism. Devout atheists no more need a god than they need the devil. And they need the devil like a dog needs fleas. Physics will make the outer gurus of old as obsolete as fire-breathing dragons, and as obsolete and useless as gods are to atheists. It will do this because it can do everything these gurus did/do without the needless verbiage of scriptures and their gods. What has physics got to do with gurus and their SELF-Realization? There are three types of gurus. Everything that has to do with the mind is a false-guru that lead us on a wild-goose-chase. Call the wild-goose-chase life, the mind. These false-gurus are the ones we seek but can never find because everything that needs seeking changes, and if they do not change then it is because the seeker changes. Then there is the rare outer Guru. This outer Guru is rare because it cannot be found mostly because it looks like all the false-gurus except for one thing. The only thing that separates the true outer Guru from false-gurus is a Direction. This direction points to the inner GURU that is Heaven it-SELF. Thus the outer Guru is very different from all the false-gurus because of a Direction that points the seeker, devotee, inwards, to the inner GURU. If a guru does anything else but point inwards to the inner GURU, Heaven it-SELF, it is by definition a false-guru, a fake, an imposter, just another wild-goose to chase. =- Words in a book, or scriptures, are all false-gurus that lead the reader on a wild-goose chase, which is the story. The only words in a book that work as a Guru are those that point the reader to the gap between words, the gap between letters, a Gap that is Heaven it-SELF, the inner GURU. In life all thoughts are false-gurus, or wild-gooses, except for the rare thought that directs us to the thoughtless gap between thoughts that is Heaven it-SELF, the inner GURU. Physics works the same. All particles-waves are false-gurus except when they point us to the gap between particles, the quantum-gap, that is the exact same Heaven it-SELF. There is no outer guru. Heaven it-SELF, the inner GURU, is all there is. Everything that is outside, the mind, is Heaven’s fiction, thoughts, words, particles, outer gurus. And all these thoughts, particles, are false-gurus unless they point back to Heaven it-SELF: the thoughtless-Silence between thoughts, the wordless-space between words, the thoughtless-Silence of dreamless-sleep, the quantum-gap between particles, which is the Unified Field. The Hindus call this Unified Field Samadhi, and the Buddhists call it Nirvana. Samadhi is simply the infinite BLISS that is Heaven it-SELF, the inner GURU. The quantum-gap is an interesting place/thing. All the particles and waves are false-gurus because they all tell us that the quantum-gap cannot exist. But without the quantum-gap there would be no particles, or anything else (to tell us anything, let alone lead us on a wild-goose-chase by telling us that the quantum-gap cannot exist). All change in the universe involves particles/waves going from one quantum level to another. And particles have to do this “change” in such a way that they MUST go through the quantum-gap but NEVER enter it. All this is utterly impossible, UNLESS particles are just thoughts. If particles could enter the quantum-gap then BY DEFINITION – the quantum gap could not exist. So the quantum-gap is an Absolute, the inner GURU, without which there could not only be no change in the universe, but without it there could also be no atoms or molecules that the universe needs for all its order and disorder, time and space. (Without the quantum-gap there would be no periodic table that gives us all the elements the universe needs for all its order and disorder. The quantum-gap thus works like a filter or lens that filters all the particles into thoughts like atoms and molecules that account for all the order and disorder in the universe.) Physics will make the spiritual gurus of old obsolete because unlike spiritual gurus physics needs no verbiage of gods and scriptures to point towards the quantum-gap that is the inner GURU that is Heaven it-SELF. Physics will make the gurus of old obsolete because it opens the door of SELF-Realization to literally everyone, and then some. Physics will do what previously gurus or even gods could not imagine. Physics will make SELF-Realization far more likely for an atheist than it can make SELF-Realization possible for someone who is preoccupied chasing wild-gooses like gods, and their scriptures, and gurus, on the outside when Heaven it-SELF is the GURU inside, be it an atheist, or a Christian, or even the devil himself. =-= . Ramana Maharshi was a true outer Guru for Papaji. But for only one simple reason: Direction. And for this same reason he, Ramana Maharshi, is a false-guru for everyone else who chases his words and deeds around the place on a wild-goose-chase. At an early age Papaji was Buddha. Later on he would hallucinate Krishna. One day Ramana asked him what he was doing and Papaji told Ramana that he was playing with Krishna. Ramana then told Papaji that he (Papaji/Ramana) was Krishna. And from that simple Direction Papaji’s seeking was over, he was Heaven it-SELF, he was SELF-Realized. For those who get Christ’s message “Heaven is inside” he is a true outer Guru. For everyone else the same Christ is an imposter, just another wild-goose to chase. For those who get Buddha’s message “You are Buddha” he is a true outer Guru. For everyone else the same Buddha is an imposter, just another wild-goose to chase. And the guru called Physics is no different from Christ or Ramana or Buddha except that it, Physics, also works for Atheists just as well as it works for intellectuals and criminals, even devils. And physics can even work as a Guru for physicists provided they know what “Direction” means. -- and this is the Supreme Truth because Heaven is all there is. Everything else is just Heaven’s fiction, thoughts. And thoughts cannot be doers to agree or disagree with Heaven it-SELF. -- UV-gap, Heaven it-SELF
How can you confirm Samadhi is infinite bliss ? Is it not mere state where mind is off thoughts, desire and motive – in a liberated mode? If bliss and pleasure is still there then you are stuck in the body. My (minimal) know how of Samadhi is that is it practiced (at least assumed) outside body. And it is also my understanding that a person can wake up (let me put it this way) from Samadhi but that is not possible from a state of Nirvana. We may be able to physically induce reverse osmosis of spinal fluid that might make the amino acids get reverse charged and create a feeling of pleasure in human body for some time but how will physics or chemistry help a human to do this at his/her desire? – This is not possible at all. Physics will never outrun human mind and its capabilities. It is a long running ‘wrong’ perception that ultimate state of meditation is to achieve samdhi, nirvana or self realization. As many forget these three are three different states of mind and is independent of each other. Is there anything beyond self realization? Is it about knowing the source of Maya?
hey genep, I thought Samadhi wasn't the state of full bliss, I thought that it was when the kundalini reaches the sahasara then you experience the real bliss, beyond the material modes of nature. Isn't the samadhi state still in a material mode??
The ultimate state of meditation is the opening of the veil (Maya). Very few achieve it...it is said that Swami Vivekanada achieved it. I sometimes get a glimpse of it perhaps for a millisecond...but not there yet....
Some time a logical approach to Eastern Philosophy seems to get direction on issue like these. If we are to consider Lord Shiva as logic then Maya (exact opposite of Lord Shiva) stands opposite to logic. “Logic - sensible rational thought and argument rather than ideas that are influenced by emotion or whim”. Maya will work by emotion and whim and if it needs to be irrational then it should also be liberated. A mother (nature) might behave based on her emotion or impulse but a woman (who is not a mother) can also behave like a liberated soul as she is yet to feel the attachment of motherhood. If Maya has a mother then that is nature and since Maya is liberated she behaves totally erratic – no logic. Bhakti or devotion is the reason for such irrational behavior - that is emotional and which is based on impulse. In the path of meditation many move away (forcefully) from bhakti to practice (belief and practice of Pranayama) to attain better stages in that path (which is a must) but to undo that and learn bhakti again is literally impossible for those minds and that is the reason for not many people reaching Maya and few get that for milliseconds
what i hear here is thye same old same old patriarchal bullshit, which is: 'logic' versus 'emotions' this dogma dividing individual from hirself, and creating conflict both inner and outer
You are correct my friend...logic and no logic BS.... For mere mortals, Maya is confusion...but Maya can be described in Mathematics as in Quantum Mechanics, Brane Theory, String Theory etc. The Universe or Multiverse or Strings...are based on Mathematics and hence Logic.... Yhe reason Maya lasts for a few milliseconds is the information human mind can process is limited with respect to Maya...and hence the connection breaks when the buffer gets full....
To me, at least, there is not confusion between logic or no-logic question, as I see logic (Lord Shiva) is every thing. If logic is not there then there is no ‘no-logic’. Many who got initiation from great gurus like Vasishta (Ram and Lakshman from Ramayana) got introduced to the world of meditation through practices known as ‘bala’ and ‘athi bala’ which can help one to conquer hunger and thirst which I think is the biggest Maya. If these two practices can start to influence (stop to a level) Maya then other advanced practices in meditation can surely bring Maya under control. Just being logical (part of Lord Shiva) and yes loving HINDU
spmewhere along te line men began to imagne a universe whose ground was logic, mathematics, rationality,reason. this happens bothe East and West, and from tis INTERPRETATION has come unending conflict inner and outer.
No. What difference does that make? Another funny mushroom story Nope. If you want to practice Pranayama (meditation) continuously for few days, having thirst and hunger will distract the practice. This is only for people who want to dedicate their at least 14 years (like Jesus, Allah, Rama, Krishana) in to the practice of meditation. From what I know even they died at some point – Samadhi or not is a different question. Thirst and hunger remains the biggest Maya for all. When a yogi achieve a stage were he/she tend to fall in to practice of Pranayam automatically (not intentionally) he/she is said to be in sathagathi (always breathing in a meditative fashion). In the state of Sathagathi and when you are fully focused on something, a Yogi can feel the unending conflict of inner and outer, bigger and smaller, higher and lower etc – which is real fun ! Milord may also find the spell check button Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Hey Rajagopals, I find it interesting you say that, since the Egyptian High-Priest Thoth says: "Deep in the silence, first ye must linger until at last ye are free from desire, free from the longing to speak in the silence. Conquer by silence, the bondage of words. Abstaining from eating until ye have conquered desire for food, that is bondage of soul." Seems similar to what you said...The Buddha never conquered thirst and hunger did he?
When I read this I doubted for a moment is it from Gita, may be not, the reason why I am saying this is because, Deep in the silence, first ye must linger until at last ye are free from desire - Is this referring to a state in meditation where in you are supposed to silent your mind to calm it and to let that go to follow your breath ? free from the longing to speak in the silence - Is this about breaking away from using language to process thoughts? Moving ahead to listening to the Ohm sound of silence? If you merge in to sound of Ohm your mind might unknowingly merge in to the natural source of vibration – the root of all entities, atoms, molecules and subatomic quantum particles Conquer by silence, the bondage of words – Once you break the barrier of words and started to practice the vibration that is when your mind becomes part of the universe – pure vibration – Shiva Tandava Abstaining from eating until ye have conquered desire for food, that is bondage of soul – Hunger is referred as Agni (fire) in Ayurveda, which again is referred (in Sanskrit) as soul, in some other sense, need to move away from being the source of a living being (bondage of soul) in to part of the universal light – Nirvana See how a confused mind creates more confusion :m:
