The Muslim Ban Has Begun!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ElectricFetus, Jan 26, 2017.

  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    It was post reply to ElectricFetus question

    Why not both? Of course it won't be protecting much freedom if the government decides to VX us all.

    You justhave....

    I just have what?
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    exactly! well done...
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    ?

    Danger Will Robinson it does not compute'
     
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  7. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    So what happens if Trump > Steve Bannon > DHS tells the courts to go F themselves?

    DHS will continue to enforce Trump's travel ban

    The Department of Homeland Security issued a statement early Sunday saying that they plan on continuing to “enforce all of the president’s Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people.”

    ...

    “The president’s executive orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety,” the statement said.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/dhs-will-continue-to-enforce-trumps-travel-ban.html

    Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people who with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.


    The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/
    No matter what else is said, you have to admit this is extremely interesting to follow - stay tuned!
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Who knew politics would be more entertaining than cage fighting with topless females (joke

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    I watched a reply to this question on the American news channels

    It appears that Trump trumps the judges who apparently in past rulings have upheld the President rule

    Part because he is the boss and it is not the job of the court to second guess the boss and it is NOT for the judge to make laws or negate laws but to apply laws to the situation before the court

    The current hold is to give time for the ragged edges of the ban to be made tidy and clarified
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Has the public ever demonstrated such vehement opposition to a president before on such a scale?
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Don't know

    Don't care
     
  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, Nixon.

    The "public" that you are seeing now however is mainly those that didn't vote for him. Those that did aren't demonstrating at this point. After all, he just got elected.

    Many Presidents step up to the job as the magnitude of the job becomes felt. I don't see Trump doing that however.
     
  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    thanks!
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    GOOD NEW EVERYBODY!

    https://archive.is/bKKVU

    "US judge blocks deportations under Trump's Muslim ban
    Ruling temporarily ends detention of travellers with valid visas and prohibits their removal from the US."
     
  14. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    The Chump team is finding out, the hard way, that there are a lot more moving parts to these policies than the facile speeches made on the campaign trial.

    "Hahahaha!", said an EU spokesman.
     
  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Thought ruling temporarily stopped deportation but did not prohibit detention

    That would make sense

    It would also might have made sense to give a very short (my ball park figure would be 10 hours) leeway before order took effect

    This would have catered for those in transit without giving bad guys time to organise a trip into America

    Granted it would still be a hassle for those with visa's intending to return some time after the order began to be implemented but thems the breaks

    Anyone know how it affects aliens who became citizens (without dual citizenship)?

    Admittedly those who have valid visas might need to submit to a more extensive vetting which arguably should have already been in place

    I did hear scant news items about some of those early detainees have elected to voluntary return to their departure point

    No comment here until further information becomes available

    Tighten your seat belt with your tray in the upright position

    Crew secure the meal trolley and cease serving drinks

    Forecast is turbulence ahead with the expectation of a rough landing

    Oxygen can be made available for those who require it

    Make sure you know where your nearest exit is

    Good luck everyone
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Michael 345,

    If this ban is to prevent entry of terrorist into the nation why is Saudi Arabia not on the list?
     
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  17. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    My question as well.
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It is exactly the job of the court to second guess the boss. That is its job description. That's what "apply laws" means, to a judge.
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That appears to be an honest question.

    Apparently, Trump voters find it reasonable to imagine a US President having an American citizen walking down the street seized by agents of the INS, bundled off incommunicado into a detainment center at Gitmo, interrogated there by waterboarding and "much worse", and then evicted from the country to a location of the President's choosing,

    on his sayso, no trial or anything of the kind.

    To prevent terrorism, apparently.
     
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  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    I can only repeat a explanation given on news reports

    The 7 countries listed are war zones with no central government with records on the population of the country

    Without records none of the counties population can provide proof of their status

    Without proof of who you are sorry no entry

    Just on the news as I am typing

    NO FOREIGN NATIONAL HAS A AUTOMATIC RIGHT OF ENTRY TO THE US
    RIGHT OF ENTRY RESIDES WITH THE GOVERNMENT

    Further a person just giving information the 7 countries account for 7% of the worlds supposed group being targeted
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Didn't I say 'apply' in my post

    Apply laws as they stand

    Not second guess the boss by 'I think he means' thought bubbles
     
  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Total Cowplatma flight of fancy
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Wait, Iran has no central government and is a war zone? Maybe your saying Iran has no records on there population? They got birth certificates, licenses, voting registration, medical records, criminal records, etc, what fucking more do you think is necessary?

    Irrelevant!

    Woo woo wait that only 7% of terrorists?
     

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