The Muslim Ban Has Begun!

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  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    well who does Trump Trust? I don't think he trusts any one...he's paranoid...

    tweets: in caps

    SEE YOU IN COURT, THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!

    oh please! tis so obvious....
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, those tactics worked so well for Stalin, Hitler, and Saddam.

    Trump's base may be there, but most Americans are not.
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    May be someone will tweet in response:
    THE GREATEST THREAT TO OUR NATIONS SECURITY IS A PARANOID PRESIDENT
     
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    The greatest weapon ISIL ( Daesh) had/has is generating mass hysteria fear.
    Trump is just one of it's many high profile victims..
    All persons who threaten ISIL show similar symptoms...Tony Abbot ex Australian PM was one of them...IMO
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    If this was a situation in one of the forces and you Commander gave you a order you don't have the luxury of ' wait while I check it out ' which the lawyers bringing action against the Order seem to think

    You follow the legal order or find yourself in the brig

    Put them in the brig (chant chant)
     
  9. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    You have a circular argument there in that you have assumed it was a legal order. Where are the judges that agree with you? The best you have is the Boston judge who opined that certain individuals didn't have the right to ask the court that question.

    Also you ignore the power of the federal courts who were asked to make that call.

    Also you ignore the damage done by an order which was never vetted by people who knew the laws, policies and procedures of this land. It states right in the body of the EO that the President and his staff don't have a clue.

    Also you ignore that Congress has the duty to create a uniform immigration rule and when they delegated powers to the President, they required him to establish findings of fact — findings that were wholly missing when the court asked for them.
     
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  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well here is the thing this isn't that situation: not even close.

    We aren't soldiers, and he isn't our commander, and the issue here is the legality of his orders.

    Unfortunately for you and your comrades we are a nation of laws where the rule of law is upheld. We aren't a banana republic.
     
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  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I think it was old Willy the conqueror 1040ad that started the old " no one is above the law" principle. Not sure but....
    Edit: wrong ...
    Aristotle. ?
     
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  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    If the POTUS does not have the support of the Judiciary he has no power. It is after all the role of the judiciary to enforce the law.
     
  13. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    If the Pope is forwarding charity and open borders as government policy, then yes, that entails the threat of penalty to enforce. Since "hard" doesn't mean impossible and "perfect" is not required, and I've already given ample examples of Biblical capitalism, you don't seem to have much of a point.


    Source?

    Paranoid delusion.
     
  14. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Biblical capitalism is not Christian capitalism. Try again.
     
  15. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Only 22% of Americans follow the Pope at all. So you're generality about Christians doesn't apply in the US. You either don't live here, or you're an atheist, cluelessly talking about things you don't know anything about. Whether Republicans represent Christian ideals or not, Christians are still majority Republican.

    A Pope has been named in a lawsuit of conspiring to cover up molestations before (granted immunity by the Department of State). A Pope has accepted the resignation of an Archbishop who covered up molestations, but kept him on with the church, in an administrative position. A Pope has overseen moving accused priests out of the accusing country only to have them again working in contact with children. So certainly some culpability after the fact.

    Individual Christians may very well welcome refugees, but nowhere does that impute to their nation, as a matter of policy. No nation can do what you suggest without forced taxation to accomplish it, hence forcing charity...never mentioned in the Bible. Funny how atheists all think they're experts on a religion they think is a fairytale.

    But guess what. Without capitalism, America wouldn't be in the position to help anyone. Bankrupting it removes any ability to help anyone else.
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Also whilst Trump may believe in a God. We don't know which God. Could be Ra for all we know.
     
  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Nooooo

    No such assumption

    When the Order was taken to court (remember it is the Order was taken to court not the contents) in order to judge if the Order was legal

    The judges steped away from that to rule on the contents (if the contents are good or bad etc)

    Implication was a shambles yes

    That does not negate the legal power to issue the order

    The damage done by the poor implementation is the size of a ant to a elephant compared to the damage the challenge and poor judgement from the bench is continuing to inflict

    Oh sorry I thought he has a title of Commander in Chief

    Who do you consider is your Commander?

    Sorry I do not have any
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  18. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Notes the distinction between " the Pope" and "a Pope". Go on Syne please clarify your accusation.
     
  19. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    And not care to do the research...
     
  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    " no one is above the law" principle.

    Some lawyers are below their principles
    Michael circ 2017

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  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't matter

    None of them exist

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  22. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Actually it is a doctrine and not just a principle

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  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Does matter to those who do believe they exist.
     

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