The Most Inspiring Speech Of My Lifetime!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Brutus1964, Jan 20, 2005.

  1. spidergoat Turd Reich Valued Senior Member

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    America ended slavery, the only places in the world that still has slavery is Africa. Isn't that ironic. And it's not white Europeans or Americans engaging in it.

    You're still delusional, slavery still exists in the US and Europe, especially for the sex trade, and with illegal immigrants. There was a National Geographic article about that.

    In Iraq 80% of the population have registered to vote. They may top our own election in voter turnout. Yes the Iraqi people want freedom.

    They want anything but occupation, what if they vote for a theocracy with sharia law? Are they free to do that? Anyway, most will not even be able to make it to the polls even if they wanted to.



    Didn't Bush give Saddam an ultimatum? That he should turn himself in, or we would invade? What if he did turn himself in? Then your "bringing freedom to Iraq" story wouldn't apply, would it? Same for Afghanistan.
     
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  3. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Indeed, chances are that the Iraqi population will vote in a Iranian styled theocracy...freedom...yah to bite u in the arse. Like Spider said as well...if the US is SOOO interested in "freedom" then why does it support Libya, Qaddafi the "terrorist?", isn't freedom on the march? Or how about Uzbekistan? Or China with the world's worst human rights account? Freedom...yah in America its the freedom to ignore reality.
     
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  5. spidergoat Turd Reich Valued Senior Member

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    "Our hearts are burned," he said. And the wounds are something democracy can't heal. "How can we vote when we don't believe in what we are voting for?" he asked.

    Ibrahim, Iraqi resident of Falluja
     
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  7. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    All I can say is for Ibrahim to nominate and vote for somebody else. If not this election, than next.
     
  8. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    Made in America;
    click

    This is truly how many here feel.

    Godless.
     
  9. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    I know, that's something that bugs me about some people here. Damn, I've been sounding bitter lately.

    - N
     
  10. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy during 1981-82. He was also Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.


    In the ranks of the new conservatives, however, I see and experience much hate. It comes to me in violently worded, ignorant and irrational emails from self-professed conservatives who literally worship George Bush. Even Christians have fallen into idolatry. There appears to be a large number of Americans who are prepared to kill anyone for George Bush.

    The Iraqi War is serving as a great catharsis for multiple conservative frustrations: job loss, drugs, crime, homosexuals, pornography, female promiscuity, abortion, restrictions on prayer in public places, Darwinism and attacks on religion. Liberals are the cause. Liberals are against America. Anyone against the war is against America and is a liberal. "You are with us or against us."

    This is the mindset of delusion, and delusion permits no facts or analysis. Blind emotion rules. Americans are right and everyone else is wrong. End of the debate.......

    ....Today it is liberals, not conservatives, who endeavor to defend civil liberties from the state. Conservatives have been won around to the old liberal view that as long as government power is in their hands, there is no reason to fear it or to limit it. Thus, the Patriot Act, which permits government to suspend a person's civil liberty by calling him a terrorist with or without proof. Thus, preemptive war, which permits the President to invade other countries based on unverified assertions.

    There is nothing conservative about these positions. To label them conservative is to make the same error as labeling the 1930s German Brownshirts conservative.

    American liberals called the Brownshirts "conservative," because the Brownshirts were obviously not liberal. They were ignorant, violent, delusional, and they worshipped a man of no known distinction. Brownshirts' delusions were protected by an emotional force field. Adulation of power and force prevented Brownshirts from recognizing implications for their country of their reckless doctrines.

    Like Brownshirts, the new conservatives take personally any criticism of their leader and his policies. To be a critic is to be an enemy. I went overnight from being an object of conservative adulation to one of derision when I wrote that the US invasion of Iraq was a "strategic blunder."

    It is amazing that only a short time ago the Bush administration and its supporters believed that all the US had to do was to appear in Iraq and we would be greeted with flowers. Has there ever been a greater example of delusion? Isn't this on a par with the Children's Crusade against the Saracens in the Middle Ages?


    http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=76&ItemID=7056
     
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  11. Undecided Banned Banned

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    With an American economic collapse all but certain to happen (when I mean collapse it could be anything from a Great Depression, to a slow gradual decline but its happening), the American public might go the way of post-WWI Germany during the depression, hyper-polarization of the society, and the "winner" winning due to ineptitude, asssuming this already didn't happen in 2000, so in essence a proto-fascist American government being supported by the jingoistic idiots that we call the "new republican party", to be fair not all republicans are stupid, and many are just as appalled as others, but the morons have taken over the place. Also when I mean morons I mean those who support the genius' in the neo-conservative movenment, they are successfully blending in religion, with nationalism, and jingoism to stifle dissent, extreme marginalization of the left getting rid of real dialectical debate, and slowly concentrating power into their hands. If Americans don't do something soon, they wish Kerry was President.
     
  12. -Bob- Insipid Fool Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, obviously you've been listening to some propaganda- thats completely wrong. France emancipated slaves back in the 1780's I believe, and the British Empire followed a number of years after. Europe freed their slaves much sooner than we did... much of the economic power of colonial America was in slaves. Mostly in the South, which remains to this day the stronghold of bigotry and ignorance.
     
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    Mostly in the South, which remains to this day the stronghold of bigotry and ignorance.

    And the Republican party.
     
  14. Spyke Registered Senior Member

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    Well, actually, France abolished slavery in 1794 during its revolution. However, Napoleon reinstated it. It was finally abolished again in 1848. Spain didn't abolish slavery until 1865, and didn't abolish it in some of its colonies like Puerto Rico and Cuba until the 1870s and 1880s. Portugal abolished it in 1876. Last time I looked, they were European.
     
  15. -Bob- Insipid Fool Registered Senior Member

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    Well, clearly France and Britain (the dominant european powers) still abolished slavery before America did, and with less fuss. Which contradicts Brutus' assertion. If we hadn't literally killed the southerners then who knows, they might have still kept it to this very day.
     
  16. Spyke Registered Senior Member

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    Well, France abolished slavery the first time following its revloution of the 3rd Estate, and in 1848 during the upheavals of the labor revolutions, so like America, it took a serious crisis within the country to end it both times. As far as your last comment, as a southerner, I say that slavery would have been doomed by the end of the 19th century at the latest.
     
  17. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    What? Which world do you live in!? America has made the world an enourmous market of slavery! America alone put dozens of dictators in many countries, including Saddam! Not to mention the fact that the globalization that the US so loves is just a politics of exploitation and exportation of poverty!!! Someone needs to make the products you consume, you know? And for those producst to be as cheap as they are for you, it measns that the peopkle that make those products receive almost nothing. Do you know how much the billions of chinese and other people that produce the stuff you consume receive!? Well, they receive less than they need to sustain their families! So they starve most of the time and work at least ten times as much as you do! So, guess who is promoting slavery!!?!?!?!?!
     
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  18. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    For a funny (in my opinion, moderator apparently doesn't agree) parody of Bush's inaugural address, see http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2005/012005.asp .

    And it is spelled inane. I think someone woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning.
     
  19. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    On a side note.... he spent... what? 20 million on that stupid speech. While his initial contribution to the tsunami disaster was of 4 million bucks. He did raise the figure to some 300 millon; but in comparison, he spent trillions in Iraq and the percentage of the GDP is still way below 1%.

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  20. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    Of course they get out of that by pointing out that most of the expenses were payed for by private contributors. Who would never, ever expect to be paid back in any way for their millions of dollars in cash spent on this obscene party.
     
  21. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Huuummm... I wonder what goofy removed from my post.....
    At least he didn't completely censored it. Goofy doesn't really annoy me as a moderator, not at all. Just Xev does an awful job....

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    Huummm... they were probably from oil companies.......

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    I wonder if it is possible to get a list of the contributors....
     
  22. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know if it is complete. http://www.inaugural05.com/donors/

    Later Wednesday, Bush was making a dash through three "candlelight dinners" with the heaviest donors to the inauguration. All were closed to journalists.

    Tickets for the candlelight dinners were distributed to those who chipped in $250,000 or $100,000 to the inauguration. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) and their wives were attending the candlelight dinners.


    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050119/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

    If a Democrat were elected in these times, I would resent this just as much. Both parties are tainted by our system of selling influence. But at least the Democrats aren't so blatant about it.
     
  23. top mosker Ariloulaleelay Registered Senior Member

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    copied from a post i made on another forum:

    "Houston energy billionaire Rich Kinder and his wife contributed $250,000."

    "Southern Co., an energy firm, gave $250,000 to the committee. "

    "26 financial services firms donating more than $4 million. The industry could reap a windfall if Congress approves Bush's plan for private investment accounts as part of Social Security. It also has an interest in Bush's goal of extending the tax cuts of his first term."

    "As of Jan. 14, 42 corporate contributors chipped in $250,000 each, the self-imposed maximum donation accepted by the committee. Unlike campaign contributions, there's no legal limit to how much a donor can give." - (So responsible of them to have ethical limitations.)

    "Ed Lewis, a spokesman for Ford Motor Co., conceded that the big automaker had a number of interests in Congress and the Bush administration. He said Ford executives would receive access to many inaugural events because of the company's $250,000 donation. But he scoffed at the notion that helping to pay for the inauguration would help buy influence.

    "We get our phone calls returned," Lewis said. "That's not a big issue for us."" - That's funny, Bush has never returned any of my numerous phone calls to the White House...

    District of Columbia tax payers (who voted 9-1 against Bush) - $17.3 million
    "There's no taxpayer money involved in this" - President George W. Bush on the cost of his coronation (Thu, Jan 13.)


    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0117-03.htm
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/inaugural_price_tag
     

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