The Most Compelling Evidence

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  1. electrafixtion Registered Senior Member

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    I have read many interesting accounts of observed UFO phenomenon. I just wonder what other members most compelling cases for the reality of UFOs has been. Personally, I can find none presently more compelling than the Anthony Woods footage. This footage has been examined and analyzed by some extremely adept film and video analysis experts and has never been debunked to the best of my knowledge.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm1IkJpt8DY

    I believe the following may in fact be the entire documentary, but I am not sure.

    http://www.joost.com/249i7f2/t/The-Journey-The-UFO-Case-Of-Anthony-Woods?channel=249i7g3#id=249i7f2
     
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  3. synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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    EF - please describe in detail the critical processes you applied to this bit of footage in order to come to the conclusion that it is compelling
     
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  5. electrafixtion Registered Senior Member

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    Where does it state that I have applied "critical processes"? I am a layman and as such I find the footage fascinating and indeed convincing. There are however several very credible REAL EXPERTS, as witnessed in the documentary I provided the link to, that have applied the best of critical processes in analyzing this EVIDENCE. Have you watched the documentary?
     
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  7. synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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    sorry EF - perhaps the question was a little vague, I'll try to be more direct.

    What exactly was it about this footage that you found to be compelling evidence?
    what led you to consider, and then reject, a mundane explanation?
    what mundane explanations did you consider?
    on what grounds did you reject them?
     
  8. Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    I have read many interesting accounts of observed UFO Elvin phenomenon. I just wonder what other member's most compelling cases for the reality of UFOs Elves has been. Personally, I can find none presently more compelling than the Anthony Woods Lord of the Rings footage. This footage has been examined and analyzed by some extremely adept film and video analysis experts and has never been debunked to the best of my knowledge.

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    (Does this help to put things in perspective for you?)
     
  9. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Dear Hercules,
    personally I have never seen an elf, but I see this as my own character weakness rather than any evidence for their non-existence. Something you didn't mention is that not only is there film of elves, but there activities are documented in books such as the Silmarillion.
    Also, how could there be elvish languages such as Sindar, if there were no elves to speak it.
    I think we must all agree, unless we are a narrow minded sceptic, that elves are a reality. I refuse to be driven away from this forum by posters who might claim I am fantasising. They are just being selfish about me being elfish.
    Thank you,
    Ophiolite (aka Findo Gask, hobbit)
     
  10. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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    Incredibly disrespectful, is this forum a childhood playground?
     
  11. Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    Really? I don’t believe so. Whilst I admit there was a certain amount of facetiousness to my post, I was nonetheless making what I consider to be a valid point.

    If we take that post and swap references to UFOs[sup]*[/sup] with references to something else, the absurdity of the position becomes much more apparent. All the usual “evidence” proffered by UFO proponents (ambiguous/grainy/blurry/obviously altered movies and photographs, “eyewitness” testimony and anecdotal accounts, conspiracy theories, appeals to authority, cherry-picked and misapplied physics analysis etc etc) is no more evidence of the existence of UFOs or ETs than ‘Lord of the Rings’ is evidence of the existence of Elves.


    ([sup]*[/sup] Please don’t point out that the acronym UFO merely refers to an unidentified object and does not necessarily refer to extraterrestrial life forms. Clearly we are referring to ETs in this thread.)
     
  12. moementum7 ~^~You First~^~ Registered Senior Member

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    Well first and foremost of course is my own account...and it really has been one of the most incredible sightings I have seen even compared to the many I have seen on video clips.

    Other than that a few come to mind...I'll see if I can find them.
     
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  14. electrafixtion Registered Senior Member

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    You know SP, you are a GREAT benefit to this forum as a whole. I know that you and I have slightly different political views, but as a whole, I have personally benefited from your posted contributions. The "great" benefit part comes from the fact that you honestly engage my posted thoughts. Not once have you merely chose to dismiss and insult my curiosity. For this, I THANK you.

    Now, on to your excellent question for which I do apologize for perceiving your quick query as a "jab". I'll know better next time.

    There are three parts to this case that I find utterly compelling.

    1) This particular man, Anthony Woods, is responsible for over 100 hours, that's right, I said 100 HOURS of time and date stamped video documentation of highly unusual UFO activity. Within this 100 hours the viewer finds an incredible diversity of viewed objects in seemingly controlled motion. So when it comes to typical internal camera artifact anomalies, the diversity to me sends up a flag of justification rather than suspicion. This stuff is just flat out non aerodynamic in design and demonstrates tremendously odd maneuverability. Sometimes as many as 20-40 objects are filmed at once!

    2) There were 3 or 4 highly specialized video & special effect experts that weighed and carefully scrutinized the objects in this amazing amount of footage. You have to understand, that in the realm of what is considered valid UFO research, this is an insane amount of footage derived from one single source. There is positively nothing else like it to my knowledge with respect to the actual amount of proposed evidence.The one single clip of the "red" UFO is what has been analyzed the most. Highly specialized computer imaging analysis has been performed by people that make HUGE money in the special effects business, and according to them, this footage has not been faked nor could they conceive of how it could possibly have been. It's very interesting the detail to which these experts pay great attention in this documentary. It's also clear that these experts are not UFO buffs or enthusiasts. In fact several of them clearly exhibited great skepticism with respect to their examinations of the evidence.

    3) Anthony Woods is himself a very amiable individual. A seemingly simple & quiet man that really showed no signs of celebrity whatsoever. Just more so a quite "matter of fact" sort of individual. To the best of my knowledge he has never lectured, toured, solicited or desired to be further enriched monetarily for his volunteered footage. He never makes claims that he has been in direct contact or communication with "aliens". Nor does he seem to express any advantage whatsoever. In fact he doesn't really offer much explanation at all. I guess as you can imagine he was hounded after the documentary came out and has since expressed an absolute desire to be left alone.

    These are the three areas I find most compelling in relation to this case. Thanks for asking.
     
  15. synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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    I'll grant you that AW seems like a pretty genuine and normal bloke - and he's a standout case amongst people with multiple UFO pics/vids in as much as he isn't an obvious and easily dismissed whackjob and con artist like Billy Meier - the fact that he has now withdrawn all of his footage (turning down a potentially lucrative DVD deal apparently) and has been asked to be left alone also seems to be testament to his reliability.

    However while it seems unlikely (but not impossible) that he's a hoaxer - the possibility remains that he is a hoaxee.

    Furthermore, the possibility of unconventional military hardware is not even explored in the docu - given the proximity to one of the Uk's largest naval bases as well as several inland army and airforce bases - and the fact that the military seems completely uninterested in what's going on here this seems odd - unless we consider that perhaps the reason why the military aren't interested is that they know exactly what it is and it belongs to them.

    If more physical evidence was forthcoming - like some corroborating radar records for example (bear in mind that this area has some of the densest civilian and military radar coverage in the country) then we might be able to chalk this one up as something more than merely 'interesting' - it falls a long way short of compelling in my book.
     
  16. VRob Registered Senior Member

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    IMO, the very best evidence of all is the 1st official statement to the press from the Roswell base in July, 1947....... that they had recovered a craft of unknown origin.

    Once that news hit Washington, operation coverup began.

    The commanding officer of the ONLY military base in the World with Atomic weapons, justs doesn't mistake a weather balloon for an unknown aircraft. Just doesn't happen.
     
  17. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Who gives a crap. Even if they are UFO's what are you going to do?

    Laugh in all of the dis believers faces?

    Than we'll all get on with our lives.

    I mean seriously what the hell could come if you guys somehow magically prove these are UFO's?

    They haven't harmed us.

    What are you going to nuke them just cause they didn't come and say hello?
     
  18. electrafixtion Registered Senior Member

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    Those are excellent considerations, however I believe they do make clear reference to the military bases in the area. I can't watch the documentary at work to verify the fact, but I also believe they do discuss unconventional air craft.

    But I ask you this: Considering these "unconventional aircraft" are ours, which Woods does not attempt to deny, what manner of aircraft would they be other than that which defies our scientific understanding of gravity and aerodynamics?

    Doesn't the very essence of that which is unconventional in this sense blow away the nay sayers and the rude clucks here that keep trying to convince us all that we are fools for showing interest outside the guidelines of accepted science? That being the "accepted science" that said insulters are touting as "the only science or reality" worthy of consideration.
     
  19. electrafixtion Registered Senior Member

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    How about the opportunity to learn something new and broaden the human perspective?
     
  20. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    FLEXIFOIL. OK, I can't say that for definite, it could have been a NAISH.

    It looked, and moved, like a C-Kite.

    I was with a friend this last weekend, and we launched his 14m^2 Flexifoil C kite. It's a frikking monster, and moves, and looks just like the object in the video.

    I took some video on my phone, the quality won't be much good, but hopefully in better focus than the stuff in the link. I'll upload it to Google Video and link.

    Edit, here is the Vid;

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2446065960773478542&hl=en

    That kite was on a fairly short set of lines, but as you can see, it looks, and moves just like the object on the OP. Draw your own conclusions.
     
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  21. VRob Registered Senior Member

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    Just like our fearless leader........ you lack intellectual curiosity.

    If the idea of being visited by an intelligence from outside this world doesn't peek your curiosity or interest, then I feel very bad for you.
     
  22. electrafixtion Registered Senior Member

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    That will be really interesting to compare them. Thanks!

    BTW, I have pretty much written off MR. Sereda. The guy just did too much damage to his credibility with some of his other "way out" claims for me to put much stock in his Quantum claims. I would have to concede that you were perhaps more so correct than not. Possibly, completely so.
     
  23. synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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    the word you are looking for is pique
     

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