The most absurd moderation in Sci history

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Norsefire, Aug 5, 2010.

  1. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    This has got to be the most absurd moderation in Sciforums history. It is blatantly full of bias. And don't tell me to PM a mod, because mods never respond, and this is something everyone should know.

    I want you to tell me exactly HOW my comments were anti-Semitic. I criticized the Jews, but what, am I forbidden from doing that? Am I forbidden from discussing history and politics, no matter how twisted you think that history is? Am I forbidden from pointing out flaws in Jewish history?

    I did not say "Death to the Jews" or "Jews are pigs" or "Ein Fuhrer!".

    I said something that was simply a criticism of history, and it was no personal attack and nothing of the sort. It is really no different than criticizing Christian or Muslim history, or Communist history, or any other sort of history.

    This really is the most absurd moderation that I have ever recieved, and it blatantly demonstrates the pro-Zionist leaning of James R. I had alot of respect for him before, despite his absurd ideologies, but now I just can't have any more.
     
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  3. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    See? No response 'cause he knows I'm right.
     
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  5. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    No response because if you need it explained you'll never understand
     
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  7. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    I see, you Zionist sympathizer.

    I can't ever criticize the Jews, I guess. You must love this, no?
     
  8. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    You should know that Jews were commonly demonized using those same false talking points.
     
  9. Bells Staff Member

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    Interesting.

    Tell me, do you see this:

    as a criticism?

    You need an explanation as to why this is anti-semitic and down right stupid, not to mention wrong? You are accusing Jews of sabotaging a whole continent, manipulating the economy (through the world banks) and apparently creating conditions to ensure their near destruction.

    It is easy to blame the victims of oppression for their own oppression during that time. Just as it is easy today to blame victims of oppression for their own oppression. In other words, you, sir, are dim. You have taken the exact same line that Hitler took in justifying his paranoid cause to destroy the Jews and then blamed it on the Jews. And you want us to explain why you were anti-semitic?
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I'll let others express their opinions. Just to note: the ban was for hate speech, not personal insults.

    One other point: Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing.
     
  11. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Shut up Bells. People say the same things about China all the time on this forum (manipulating the world economy, sabotaging the USA (and by extension, North America), and planning for destruction. No one moderates them for it because there isn't an "antisemitism" type term for it, in their cases. Actually, similar criticisms of the USA arise on this forum as well and again, no punishment. Hilarious.

    Whoever banned norse needs to grow up and get over their sensitivity instead of using the forum as a platform to protect their religion. That moderator has obviously seen Schindler's List too many times and has been culturally conditioned to overprotect Jews from calm criticism, if that criticism comes from someone with an arabic background, as norse does. That moderator or admin should tread carefully, because in so performing this action, they are exhibiting more bigotry than Norse had a prayer of exhibiting with his statement.
     
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  12. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    I am no Zionist sympathizer unless by that you mean dislike bigoted hate speech. the jews didn't cause the world wars.
    you can you just got to do it factually.
     
  13. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    um I was the one who reported it for antisemitism and I'm not exactly going to win any friend of the jews friend of Israel awards any time soon. what he said was classic anti semitism. fuck it was practically a textbook example of it.
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    I see. So you are claiming that people on this forum say that the Chinese led to two world wars, that their being Chinese was the cause of their being demonised and treated so badly and inhumanely, not to mention blaming them for their near destruction? Do you have links of this? Because what Norse has effectively done is blame the Jews for their own treatment and and near destruction of them as a whole in Europe.

    I shouldn't have to explain to you why that is anti-semitic and god damn retarded.

    So I would suggest that you shut up.

    And which religion do you think that is Will? I'll give you a hint. He was banned by an atheist. So tell me, what platform is an atheist protecting and which religion exactly?

    If it was criticism, he would not have been sanctioned. But it was not criticism, was it? What he did was a clear cut example of anti-semitism and the same kind of drivel that Hitler and his ilk used to spout to justify slaughtering them.

    I would suggest that you tread carefully as you are exhibiting your own bigotry in his defense.
     
  15. Gustav Banned Banned

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    a bogus analogy kiddo
    the equivalent to china would be israel and not the jews
    an apt comparison would be where you equate the jews with the chinese.

    now.. anti-mongoloidism
    how does that sound?

    /snicker

    an instance of it?
    lets see... there is an insidious plot by the world wide chinesry to take over ownership of all dry cleaning establishments which are then......
     
  16. synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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    Damn Damn Damn!

    I was going to post something a few days back predicting that upon Norse's return we'd get a whiney thread from him about his ban - I couldnt be bothered in the end but I'm so wishing I had done now.

    I'll make post-ban prediction instead though:

    Norefire's postings will continue to be full of crap
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    "China" is not the same as "Chinese people". Think.

    "The USA" is not the same as "American people". Think.

    I banned him. Judaism is not my religion.

    Calm criticism?

    Yeah, sure sounds calm and measured to me. Think.

    Seriously, dude. Brain on for a moment.

    Of course he's whiney. Doubly so because it was me who banned him.
     
  18. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Norse! Is that comment anti-semitic? Personally I would say yes obviously so, but there is something very important about sci politics that you are grossly missing.

    If you want to insult a people you have to use some PC subtlety like say referring to them as 'a protected species'. As Gendy pointed out in a different thread referring so someone as a 'kind' or inferring they belong to a separate species (not to mention a protected one to boot) is

    "the word we use to classify aliens, insects, rodents, and matter."

    They accept that, you know it goes under the radar. They're down with that.

    Now as you pointed out you cannot say 'jews are pigs' but you can imply they are pigs by bringing up some historical fact like 'Jews worship a burial ground in Israel where there are actually pig bones' and then go on to mock their ancestors by saying jews are actually worshipping pigs along with all that *wink wink* kosher sarcasm.

    Note these examples and you will not suffer from the many hypocrites around here. What you did was blatant uncovered anti-jewish propaganda. Too obvious mate.
     
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  19. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    You do know your taking those incidents out of context right and welcome back
     
  20. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously some people would imply it as hate mongering, personally I just see it as a part of the "Tin foil hat" mob, in the sense that you're getting riled up over a conspiracy.

    It's all well to blame Jews for a war, but then there are a whole host of other people that can be blamed too. I mean for instance there were Nazi's, they were to blame, then there was the English for not getting involved in European Politics sooner, then there was the US for not getting involved until they had their hand forced by the Japanese (apparently too much money to be made from both sides by War profiteering), there is then the case of how the Catholic church didn't protest against Nazi method of removing a "different religion" (Mainly because they likely had previously Jew owned artefacts shipped to them through Switzerland.)

    At the end of the day you could list "Hundreds" of conspiracies, some Jew related and mostly others not. The point however being that those Wars were fought, atrocities committed and we circa 70 years on seem to still be arguing over the semantics.

    Look forwards rather than looking back. After all most people that complain about those of a religious faith reason that the main problem they have with them is the fact that they dwell on stories written centuries ago and argue over the semantics, but to do the same in regards to a "historic" war and point at who was to blame is most certainly acting exactly the same as those of a religion.

    Get over it.
     
  21. atheist Registered Member

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    isnt hate speech saying stuff in a hateful manor and not what the context is about (i think i got that right). i mean if i say black ppl (black american ppl) love KFC chicken does that count as hate speech? i know its stereotyping them but its true compared to white ppl, or fat ppl and fastfood, fat ppl at macdonalds and so on.

    most ppl (i assume) think jews did nothing to deserve their treatment of ww2 in those camps, and is true in most cases of ethnic cleansing but jewish ppl have flaws like everyone else. are jews racist? yes they are (depending on the individual and how strong their beliefs are in their religion). i seen verses from the talmud and they think so much that they are gods chosen ppl that it sounds dangerous, how much they are valued over other humans that are not jewish.

    maybe the jews use to spit on hitler when he was a kid and thats why he hated them, idk cause i wasnt there.
     
  22. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Actually what's usually implied is that Hitler prior to the Nazi movement as a street painter saw how the country suffering after a financial crunch had a high deficit between the poor and the wealthy. He saw the Jewish communities as being wealthy because they were bankers, lawyers, diamond merchants etc.

    He saw their enclosed communities as rich and wanted to re-distribute their wealth to those that he felt at the time were suffering.

    Small communities and even large families can pool their resources together to make their community look better, in the case of what Hitler saw, there is the potential that society of that period of time lacked the same common drive towards developing communities which cause the financial stagnation that was seen. The Jews were obviously blamed for the problems, this attempted to generate two changes, one the wealth would be re-distributed while the other was to attempt to generate a common "enemy" that people demonised and conspired against. (in sense forming a form of community)

    This is what then transpired from just wealth re-distribution to Jew hating, and eventually atrocities.

    As for the Jewish community being only human, yes they are, they can be as perverse and twisted as anyone else on the planet. This is especially true of the aftermath from that period, after all to have atrocities committed against their families caused and even more xenophobic community to emerge which went out of their way to detect and eradicate those they felt were a threat to their community.

    The group formulated for tracking down and eradicating Nazi's became as bad as the Nazi's they hunted.
     
  23. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Actually it's only because you can't explain it, so you shutting up would still be better.
    It makes little difference. China contains Chinese people. The USA contains Americans. People trash Americans all the time on this forum. Because there is no "anti-semitism" type word for the trashing of that group of people, the trashing continues on unabated. You either stick to your values or don't. Protecting one group of people that you feel a more personal connection to, more than other groups, is sheer hypocrisy.
     

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