# The mechanism of formation of rogue waves

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Fermer05, Dec 17, 2023.

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1. ### Janus58Valued Senior Member

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It's in the math. Calculate the centrifugal acceleration at perihelion and aphelion from the distance and orbital speed, and then compare it to the gravitational acceleration due to the Sun at those same points.
Besides that, it's obvious that the two cannot balance at these points. If they did, there would be no reason for the planet to move out to aphelion from perihelion, or to fall into perihelion from aphelion.

3. ### Janus58Valued Senior Member

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There are not separate Sun and Moon tidal bulges, but rather a single pair of bulges that is the resultant of the combined effect of both bodies.

5. ### Fermer05Registered Senior Member

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And at what average speed do the Moon and Sun move?

7. ### Janus58Valued Senior Member

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The tide cycle is lengthened not shortened, The amount of lengthening can vary quite a bit over the course of time. This cycle also follows the phases of the Moon.
Technically, we get a high tide twice a day. The term for when the Sun and Moon combine for the maximum swing between high and low tides occurs is a 'spring tide'.

8. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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Yes. The Moon rises an hourish later every night. Not sure why I wrote shortened.

Yes. It is getting pretty convoluted to try to work around Fermer's misundertandings and misstatements to provide a correct yet not too complicated answer.

9. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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Referenced to what?

10. ### SeattleValued Senior Member

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The Coriolis force is greatest at the poles and weakest at the equator. Therefore it has a great effect in temperate waters. It effects the direction and not the speed and amplitude. It affects shape and direction.

11. ### Fermer05Registered Senior Member

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The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres.

Tides are not formed along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts where there is a high speed of currents.
And the higher the speed of currents along the coast, the higher the amplitude of the tidal wave.
On those coasts where the speed of currents is 0 km / h, the amplitude of the tides is also 0 meters.

The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming cyclonic gyres.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre
And everything that rotates, including the cycles, has the property of a gyroscope - to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.

If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the gyres, rotating with the Earth, turn over twice a day, thanks to which the gyres precess (sway by 1-2 degrees) and reflect a tidal wave from themselves along the entire perimeter of the gyre.
https://goo.gl/images/M4SJq8 http://goo.gl/AM5g1s

The waters of the White Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a huge gyroscope whirlwind, which precessing reflects the tidal wave along the entire perimeter of the White Sea. A similar pattern of tides is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
White Sea. http://rivermaps.ru/doc/beloe/beloe-3.htm
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png

The waters of the Mediterranean Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming tides 10–15 cm high. In the Gulf of Gabes, off the coast of Tunisia, the height of the tides reaches three meters, and sometimes more, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, the whirlpool rotates in the Gulf of Gabes, precessing reflecting an additional tidal wave.
The tidal wave in the Amazon River creates a huge planetary circulation with a diameter of several thousand km., Rotating between South America and North Africa, covering the mouth of the Amazon River.
The pattern of movement of the tidal wave along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary circulation (according to satellite data).

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12. ### Fermer05Registered Senior Member

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The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the rotation.
The height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the rotation, the orbital velocity of the Earth and the time of the rotation of the rotation (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
Where, A is the amplitude of the tidal wave.
V1 is the rotation speed of the rotation.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t is the time of the rollover of the cycle (12 hours).
Table of tidal amplitude versus current velocity, on all coasts.
1 km / h - 1 meter.
5 km / h - 5 meter.
10 km / h - 10 meter.
15 km / h - 15 meter.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the cycle, the amount of water under the cycle, the distance from the coast to the cycle and on the direction of the current (north, south, west, east).
The currents that move along the equator reflect a tidal wave north and south twice a day.
And the currents that move along the meridian reflect a tidal wave west and east 1-2 times a day.

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13. ### Fermer05Registered Senior Member

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Applied time - from 0 to 12 hours occurs when an ebb wave runs into a tidal wave.

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14. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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You seem to be forgetting that tides affect land masses too, which bulge and recede daily by as much as a few feet. How does your "gyre and current velocity" idea explain that?

15. ### James RJust this guy, you know?Staff Member

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This formula must be wrong, since it is dimensionally incorrect.

No need to comment then, on anything that follows from this error.

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17. ### Fermer05Registered Senior Member

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There is no convincing evidence or facts of deformation of the earth's crust under the influence of tidal forces.
Although the deformation of the crust can be easily checked by aiming a telescope at the top of a mountain or at a geostationary satellite.

18. ### Fermer05Registered Senior Member

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Write it correctly.

19. ### originHeading towards oblivionValued Senior Member

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Just because you refuse to look at the evidence does not mean it doesn't exist.

20. ### originHeading towards oblivionValued Senior Member

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You wrote: A = V1 • V2 / t
So that means that the wave height (A) has the units of m/s^2. Those are the units of acceleration not height.
If you wanted the units to work out you could write A = V1 * V2 * t, the equation still will not give you the wave height but at least the units are right.

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Fact denier.

22. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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This is amusing.

Fermer: I propose a unicorn's horn to be of length x^n.
James: x^n does not mean anything, partly because unicorns don't exist
Fermer: then please correct my equation for the length of a unicorn's horn

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