The love drug.

Discussion in 'Chemistry' started by TheFrogger, Jun 2, 2017.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, that would be weird. Birds do sing though. The Nightingale is a prized song-bird, not only by humans, but I'm sure also by other Nightingales.

    However, pigeons and most other animals do (consciously?) select their mate by his symmetry and abilities to display his dominant status among his peers.

    A male peacock in full display is a awesome sight, which surely does not go unnoticed by a possible mate, and may well be causal to the production of dopamine in the female. There is clear evidence that even birds select or reject possible mates based on physical properties and abilities, i.e. being desirable or unsuitable.
     
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  3. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    I would say reactively

    Wish this one was a homing one who stayed there. Well and truly lost here

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  5. TheFrogger Registered Senior Member

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    Regardless, ☺would be the same. Dopamine producing glands in the brain can be exhausted by excessive use of drugs, leaving the user needing medical help. It could be the best drug in the world, but would stills produce ☺ problems.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This is precisely why we always speak of living a balanced life, eating a balanced diet. Excessive use of anything is always harmful to the brain's and body's chemical balance.

    Everyone loves sugar (sweets) from insects to humans, but we all know that ingesting too much sugar is unhealthy.
    And so it is with all chemical substances which the body needs to function properly. Too much of anything usually results in adverse effects .
    "Too much" (of anything) is not parsimonious to "efficient function" of other things. Even in the abstract, IMO.
     
  8. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    A causal factor underpinned by other causal factor.
    Seems to be a recurring theme in your writing.

    Ditto above

    I am not doubting it exists. I am doubting you can proceed from this to discussions of love etc while avoiding all the type I & II errors you have laid out before yourself.

    People who have spent lifetimes counting the number of chemical reactions that have occurred as their life's work?
    Are they different from those tireless scientists who are busy working out how long a person has to run on the same spot before they tunnel to the other side of the earth, or how far the planet would change axis if everyone in china jumped at the same time?

    You clearly have no idea that he is talks are purely in the range of theory.

    Its interesting that when you are faced with the choice of "accuracy" or (so called) "science", you opt for the latter.
     
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    Paisley-Parsimonious Percival-Parrslee Pigion the poet of potentia place pheasant town pleasentville

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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What female could resist such display of power and readiness to protect his flock ?.........

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  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    meet the flockers ?

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  12. TheFrogger Registered Senior Member

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    It clearly should be P.C Paulie Pigeon.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    At one time the Higgs field was pure theory, however the mathematical application of the theory proved the theory if the existence of bosons.

    All science starts with theory.

    But I disagree that Hazen was speaking just theory. He clearly demonstrated that chemical interactions of bio-molecules do produce more complex biochemical structures, and that is at least one proof of the possibility of life being able to emerge from the combinatory richness of bio-chemicals at planetary scales and time. It is finding the "bottle-neck" which so far eludes our knowledge, not unsurprisingly if you try to find the answer in a laboratory.
     
  14. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    But not all theory ends with science.
    In fact, to suggest otherwise makes science illegitimate.

    Yes, some things are established

    If one can't demonstrate how its possible, it would be more accurate to talk of it as a proof of an idea ... if one feels too attached to attached to disregard the word "proof".

    Demonstrations occur both in and outside the laboratory. If you have an idea that can't be demonstrated anywhere, you just have an idea. Science is particularly rigorous about this.
     
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    And that's why science demands rogorous testing and the demonstartion that the results can be duplicated, using the same experiments?
    Right, no "idea" is automatically accepted, without demonstration the idea has merit
    Precisely, this is the reason for science establishing the requirement of falsification or confirmation.

    Einstein's idea that light must bend in a strong gravitational field was not proven until years later, when in the greater laboratory of the universe the conditions were just right to test the "idea" (and of course its mathematical explanation why this should be so).

    Such an experiment cannot be performed in a lab, it requires specific universal conditions which make the experiment possible to begin with.
     
  16. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So make up your mind.
    Demonstration of results or demonstration of ideas?


    So you are left with an idea you can't demonstrate. Science doesn't do poetic licenses I'm afraid.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Peacock is a textbook example of Runaway Sexual Selection.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherian_runaway
     
  18. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    Our Australian Prime Minister is called Peacock and while he was selected by his political party I don't think it was sexual

    He turned out to be a show pony lame duck

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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Demonstration that the idea has merit is what I said.
    Twisting sentences to confuse and mislead without a logical argument, is dishonest.
    I said that Einstein's idea that light bends WAS proven, it just took some years for the proper alignment to occur.
    There was no poetic license in Einstein's proposition.

    It took 20 years on earth to build the collider able to simulate normal universal occurrences. And the idea of the existence of bosons was confirmed to be correct.

    In science do not expect instant gratification. That miraculous transformation is claimed by theists, "if only you believed, you'd understand"
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That was because he is a human pretending to be a peacock.
     
  21. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    That's what you said in the 2nd sentence ... not the 1st.
    Hence the suggestion to make up your mind.

    Yet here you are, downplaying the distinctions between theory and demonstration.
     
  22. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    Oh you mean like a nom de plumage?

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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It's no accident that the first pens were made from quills. Pigeons are smarter than the average bear (poetic license).

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