The jews got their own Holocaust, but what about others in the 20th century ?

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Why do you think the Holocaust is well advertised, and victims of Communism are not ?

  1. A. Jew are influential in pushing advertising of what happened to them in schools, books and films.

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  2. B. People sympathetic to Communism are supressing advertisment of Communist democides

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  3. A & B

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  4. Other

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  1. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    I've heard it said that, in the Olympic competition for killing your own citizens, it goes

    1. Mao, for the gold (50-70 million killed)
    2. Stalin, for the silver (20-30 million killed)
    3. Hitler, with a bronze (6 million killed).

    The point is, the Jews were targeted for being Jewish, not for being political dissenters. Hitler also executed retarded people, the Roma, and gays.

    You can choose to hate Stalin, but you can't choose your heritage or genetics.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So being Jewish is like being black? Makes no sense.

    Can you choose being born an Afghani? Being born Iraqi? No war victims choose their position.
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I hate to break in, but what is this point meant to imply?
     
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  7. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently people choose to be born to Jewish parents.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently they have no choice but to inherit Jewishness :crazy:
     
  9. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Judaism unlike many other religions isn't the worship of G-d or a deity figure per say.

    You go to temple to thank G-d not to worship him like a slave. So essentially someone that converted from Judaism to say Christianity is still thanking G-d as one part of that religion. That is why they are still considered Jewish.
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well that's just silly of them. Don't they know that means they'd be complicit in people not liking them, apparently?

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  11. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Really?? That's interesting.
     
  12. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    That's correct. "Jewishness" is both an ethnicity and a religion, and nothing anyone chooses to do has any impact on their ethnicity.

    Anyone given to using the term "atheist Jews" ought to understand that pretty clearly.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sure just like white is both a race and a skin colour and I know that because I say white supremacists
     
  14. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    What are you, 4 years old?
     
  15. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure the Gestapo only rounded up the observant Jews with menorahs in their closets.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    We should all take our identity from the people who oppress us. That makes me a coolie by ethnicity.
     
  17. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sorry, was there a point to this comment? Are you blaming the Holocaust victims for being Jewish?
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No I am wondering why Jews are adopting the Nazi criteria for what constitutes Jewishness.

    We all agree that racism is wrong, right?

    So why adopt Nazi standards rather than Torah definitions?
     
  19. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Really? Name ten...

    That's right you can't.
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Read up on the Nuremberg laws of Hitler.

    I understand that victims often absorb their oppressors definition of themselves but usually we don't consider that as their normal identity. Usually we consider it a mental illness resulting from abuse.

    Judaism is a religion. It requires kashruth laws, the Tanakh, the Torah, some belief in Hashem and at least a minimal allegiance to theism.
     
  21. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure there were more than a few converts to the religion who managed to escape the slaughter. And I'm sure that there were more than a few non-Jews who happened to fit some stereotype or another. But does it matter? Do you understand the word ``subset''?
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Like the subset of Afghans killed yesterday in Afghanistan?

    Yeah I understand subset. But I do not see a reason to define religion by what a nutjob German said it was.
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Then how is it that I am Jewish?
     
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