The jews got their own Holocaust, but what about others in the 20th century ?

Reminds me of when I was a university freshman, and all my buddies were heading out to Quebec City (eastern Canada) to join protests against the signing of the FTAA agreement which took place there. They were protesting against free trade exploitation of South America and throwing beer bottles at riot police while wearing clothes made in foreign sweatshops.

 

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Haha yes, this is commonly how environmental activism works in India as well. Its usually carried out by geeks who wear "cottage industry" clothes, which are created by underage children used as labour

 

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Why an "industry"? The salary information is meaningless without comparison to salaries of ministry and commercial officials of comparable experience and age, besides the fact of the entire article being written by Finkelstein. Does one expect the officials of the institutions to work for their cause for free? Should we damn all NGOs that pay their people? There's nothing objective about this extract, and certainly no effort in the extract to statistically indicate that the officials of the organizations he's cursing are profiting excessively or unfairly, or of the unfair distribution of the wealth. Even Finkelstein cites the organizations as claiming that it goes to education. He claims that these organizations are making claims against both legitimate Jewish owners of properties confiscated before the Holocaust and the beneficiaries of confiscation, but again no evidence is presented of the claim. So what should I make of your evidence?

 

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Rabbi Hier of the Simon Weisenthal foundation [and Simon Wiesenthals own fictitious accounts notwithstanding] draws a salary of more than 500,000 dollars; its a family business, his wife and son are also part of the foundation

Which "industry" is that comparable to?

 

First off, there appears to be no connection of your comment to the one preceding it, unless you're implying that Holocaust Museum personnel stole the sign themselves to attract attention. (Ironically, this sounds like something ol' Adolf might accuse Jewish people of doing.)

Ach! Zo ze Jews shtole ze sign zemselves? Schweinhunden!

A little implausible, too, since several perps have already been arrested for the crime. But who knows? Ach, aber sie mussen "innozent" sein, nicht wahr?

 

Proof.

You'll need proof for that one also.

Now: were they part of the 'extortion and payouts' Finkelstein is accusing Jews of?

 

Finkestein has written a whole book [or two] with details if you want proof: you could write to Marvin Hier [sorry, I misspelled his name earlier] at the center and ask him what his salary is.

 

Sort of a gross stereotype, actually. What proportion of survivors are sleeping on park benches and eating chicken necks?

 

So your figure is sheer speculation. There's no evidence for this claim.

Great.

 

Enough that they constantly demonstrate about it

But in the interest of being academically accurate, with tens of billions in reparations given to the survivors, surely the accounting is available in the public domain?

Do the donors know how the money is spent?

 

"They"? Who are "they"?

One would think so, which is why I don't understand why you don't cite any evidence for Finkelstein's claims.

 

Its considered academically sufficient to cite the source of your information. Not the source of the source of your citation. How do you ever finish writing any papers?

 

Jews tend to be well educated if not scholars as they have traditionally valued that (Rabi means teacher). Although dispersed throughout much of the world they have maintained a unified culture for a very long time. They tend to be disproportionately important as leaders, scientists, doctors, publishers, entertainers, especially in the movie industry etc. so in their larger society they do have disproportionate influence upon those societies. (For example the US’s support of Israel despite its small size, is the largest recipient of financial aid, when military expenses associated occupations of Iraq, Iran, etc are excluded.) Thus, they can and do make sure the atrocities of the holocaust are not forgotten by the larger cultures they live in.

The Bedouins, a proud nomadic people in the years before the state of Israel, were essentially the opposite. Most were illiterate and without much influence on even their neighbors, much less world opinion. They still wandered with their herds, mostly goats, throughout the Sinai and Negev Deserts much as they had more than 5000 years earlier. Bedouins had few friends among other Arabs. Typically they were regarded much like Europeans regarded their wanders, the Gypsies (or Romani as they prefer).

Thus, when the Bedouins were first destroyed as a culture, no outside voices of protest were heard. Now their simple villages (which were occupied during the rainy season) have been destroyed by Israeli bulldozers and their associated farms made infertile by Israeli planes spraying herbicides. Even the village names have been eradicated from all Israeli maps. Like the Jews leaving Germany when they still could, many Bedouins fled before Israeli claimed their traditional lands (some even holding old Ottoman Empire deeds) as under Israeli law only Jews can build in the Sinai and Negev. The less than 10% of the Bedouins that once utilized the Sinai and Negev are now confined by Israel to approximate 1% of the Negev – the part with the poorest soil and little water, which no Israeli wants. These confinement camps are called by the Israeli word that means “enclosure.” Some Bedouins escape from these camps back to the desert but a division of the Israeli army captures and returns them. (This division is called the “green patrol” as it is protecting large areas set aside as nature preserves, etc.)

The only real way out of these camps (in addition to death) is to join the Israeli army. Thus women outnumber men in the confinement camps and the Bedouins population is dying out. In another decade (or two at the most) the Bedouin’s holocaust will be 100% complete. Israel, and the lures of modern civilization, have already destroyed the Bedouin’s more than 5000 year old culture. Soon assimilations and concentration camps in the Negev will eliminate 100% of the Bedouins themselves. In contrast, Hitler was able to kill only about 1/3 of the Jews. (Many either were not residents of Germany or got out in time.)

Mainly for the reasons I gave in the second paragraph that starkly contrast with the facts of the first paragraph, few are even aware of this nearly completed holocaust of the Bedouins now being achieved by Israel. Dozens of native tribes in Brazil, the US and Australia have also suffered complete extermination for the same reasons – not well educated, with no influence in the society claiming their lands (and gold in Brazil’s case) often years ago by simply quickly killing them.

The main features of the Nazi holocaust distinguishing it from the more common ones, (like the Brazilian natives or Bedouins) are:

(1) The primary objective was not to take the land or wealth of a less advance people (although considerable wealth was confiscated, especially in the form of paintings, gold and silverware, etc.).
(2) The victims were well educated with a globally well known culture.
(3) Israel’s holocaust is one of slow motion – a frog in slowly heated water. – Not attracting attention of news media.

These three reasons are why Nazi holocaust is well known but the slower yet already more complete Israeli holocaust of the Bedouins is rarely mentioned. (It has already eradiating a culture and in a decade or so more, a people).

Some will think that the term “holocaust” should not be applied to what Israel is doing to the Bedouins mainly to take their historic lands for Jewish settlers without any payment. I would like to read their definition of “holocaust.” I.e. one which does not consider the eradication of a culture and approximately 90% of its people already a “holocaust.”

BTW, in case some mod, who does not like anything critical of Israel to be posted, thinks this post should be removed (It does not even mention communism could be a reason) I note that the Bedouins were 100% communistic as most tribal peoples are - the grazing land (the "means of production") belongs to all, etc.

Also note it clearly explains, especially in paragraphs 1 vs 2, why the Israeli holocaust is best known. -I.e. answers the thread's implied question.

 

the jews are vocal and have the connections to prevent their voices from being heard that's what it always comes down to.

 

The dying out of a nomadic culture isn't exactly uncommon in the modern world. To call that a holocaust is to abuse the term.

 

If us Jews are so connected I wish we could do something about people like SAM and pjdude spamming the internet with their nonsense anti-semitism that's only [at best] half grounded in reality.

 

you'd be surprised just how little of connection one needs to have a strong voice. all you need is one person who can give you a forum that is respected.

 

Latest from Eastern Congo. Death count approaching 7 million.

 

I disagree as Israel built concentrations camps and uses the army to force those who escape back to the desert to return. True they do not have gas chambers, but nor do they have clean water or sewers or regular garbage collection so many die of "natural causes." That is not as quick, but is a cheaper way of killing.

Give your definition of "holocaust" - one that excludes the forced confinement and slow eradication of the Bedouin.

 

Shhh! The Jews are special. Don't question it! Or you're obviously a Nazi.