The Jesse Ventura file

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Billy T, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

    I heard most of Pierce Morgan´s CNN (in Brazil) interview of Jesse Ventura, an American politician and actor, a US Navy Underwater Demolition Team veteran, retired professional wrestler, radio and television talk show host, and teacher, who became the 38th Governor of Minnesota, and was very favorably impressed with Jesse so looked up some of his quotes:

    I believe in the separation of church and state... We all have our own religious beliefs. I´m an atheist.

    I live by the golden rule: Treat others as you'd want them to treat you. The religious right wants to tell people how to live.

    I speak my mind. If it offends some people, well, there's not much I can do about that. But I'm going to be honest.

    There is much more to being a patriot and a citizen than reciting the pledge or raising a flag. Patriotism is voluntary... A patriot shows their patriotism through their actions, by their choice... No law will make a citizen a patriot. (Said when explaining his veto of law requiring public school students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance at least once a week - 22 May 2002)

    There's a great need in our government right now for honesty. ... I call it like I see it; I tell the truth. And if I don't know something, I'll say so. Then I'll try to find the answer.

    I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I'm a working man with commonsense ideas and goals. I describe myself politically as fiscally conservative and socially moderate-to-liberal.

    Government's role should be only to keep the playing field level, and to work hand in hand with business on issues such as employment. But beyond this, to as great an extent as possible, it should get the hell out of the way.

    We shouldn't be wasting so much time and so many resources on prosecuting consensual crimes such as prostitution and drug possession. I hold drug possession and drug dealing as two totally different concepts.

    I don't support abortion. But I think it would be a mistake to make them illegal again.

    I'm not knocking private schools, but I owe it to my kids to let them grow up in a place where private school isn't required. They're only in school 6-8 hours a day; they have to live in their neighborhood 24 hours a day. I didn't want them growing up in a place where anybody with the means had abandoned their public schools.

    I view the traditional two parties as in some ways very evil. They've become monsters that are out of control.

    All quotes above are from:

    Jesse was on Pierce´s show in part because of his new book called “Democripts and Republoods” I had to look them up: The Crips are one of the largest and most violent street gangs in the United States. The gang uses the color blue in their clothing. Crips have an intense and bitter rivalry with the Bloods . (Which I assume have red as their color. If so that is a clever title, expressing Jesse´s low opinion of the two party system. He is an independent.)

    Pierce asked Jesse if he would like to be President? (this November, implied.) Jesse replied: “You could not pay me to be president. The country will collapse Bush so badly messed it up, but the short attention span public can only remember back a year so next President will get the blame.”

    After hearing that, and all the wise, honest things Jesse said earlier, I became a fervent supporter Jesse. If any one can put the country back up on its feet after GWB´s depression, it is Jesse Ventura, a smart, college drop out (one year only), a man of the people* who reminded me a little of Truman, except for the great physical differences.

    Perhaps Jesse´s best quote from the show (one I had not heard before) was: “When the power of love is greater than the love of power, then there can be peace.”

    Jesse is for closing almost all foreign military bases, bringing the troops home, except for a US Embassy guards and ending foreign aid as the US is “broke” and not the world’s policeman. As he put it in analogy, if you’ r in debt, the bank is foreclosing on your house and you are three payment behind on your car loan, you don´t send $1000 to someone in the next state you have never even met. Then to back up his view that sending troops into lands where they are not wanted by the people, Jesse asked: “How would you feel, if Hugo Chavez bought 500 acres in Florida and stationed 10,000 troops there?”

    Jesse also said on Pierce´s show that US elections are bought, especially now that corporations can spend unlimited funds in support of their POV via their political action committee (PAC). He noted that rich China, via a US based Chinese corporation, could determine who the next POTUS is.

    *When he got out of the Navy, he had $250 and being big and strong, went into the wrestling ring to live.

    If you want to know Jesse´s position on 30 different “hot button” issues go here:

    I have not read any yet but bet I´m with Jesse on most.
    What do you know and think about Jesse Ventura as POTUS some day?
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  3. desi Valued Senior Member

    I think he faced lots of grief as governor of Minnesota. He would need a party agreeable to his views if he were to get anything done as POTUS.
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  5. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

    Do you have any details?
    He would agree -said on Pierce' s show that there is a consipracy between the two parties to surpress any third one. Told that he did get into a TV debate one time in Minnesota. As I remember the numbers, he had 17% support pre-debate and 47% a week later.

    He gave Pierce a very rough time. At one point Pierce said: "That´s a crackpot idea." (About pulling the troops home, I think it was) Jesse said: "Lets see what the (live) audience thinks" - "If it is a crackpot idea, clap you hands." (about one person in ~70 did.) "If you agree we should, clap you hands." (at least 50 people did.) He has such strong and basic views, he does very well in debates. He said that the Dem/Rep conspiracy would never let him on the national stage to debate. He noted that both parties support competition, except in this case.

    If he were to start a party and I´m still alive, I may give him my first significant political contribution but need to know more first. I was greatly impressed by him and his plain-speaking, level-headed, non-evasive, views. I hope he is not some bigot racially as then we would split as that is a hot button issue with me.

    After the great suffering GWB´s coming depression will cause, Americans may be ready to throw all the current politicians out of office.
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  7. desi Valued Senior Member


    "As Gov. Jesse Ventura prepares to leave office, he ends a term that saw one of the most dramatic four-year shifts in Minnesota's financial picture. Ventura inherited a $4 billion surplus, and leaves office with the state facing a $4.5 billion deficit. Will he be remembered as the man at the helm when the state's economy took a nosedive? Or as a competent CEO who left a lasting stamp on state government?...

    Ventura's finance commissioner, Pam Wheelock, says the governor did propose a fiscally responsible plan that would have minimized the current deficit, and lawmakers discarded it. She says Ventura didn't have a single ally in the Legislature for most of his term, yet he still managed to push through some of his major priorities.

    "The good news is that it took both of these parties in both of these houses until the last legislative session to really effectively figure out how to box out the governor, because they had no interest in having an Independence Party governor look effective," Wheelock said."

    I think you are right about the depression, not sure if its GWBs since he's no longer running fiscal policy. Ventura would be a better choice than many options.
  8. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

    I called it that and said it was inevitable when GWB still had two years as POTUS.

    I could do so because under GWB US two recessions started (2nd one still not recovered from), great loss of jobs, two needless wars started, the great reversals of Clinton´s surplus, SEC was restrained from doing anything to Maddox but sit on 21 items of proof it was a Ponsi scheme etc., wealth was transferred from the middle class to the very rich via new tax reductions for them, which were used to build more modern than US had factories in China (closing US´s older ones or at least forcing out sourcing) the stupid corn to alcohol program was created, and other things I now forget.

    Obama & Bernacki have been able to "kick the depression can down the road" for four years, sort of as I expected, but not for four years more. (6+ years ago, I predicted the depression would soon follow a run on the dollar which would occur on or before Halloween 2014.)
  9. desi Valued Senior Member

    Your analysis is making me depressed. Is there any hope to turn things around?
  10. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

    I said "inevitable" but you can hope I´m wrong (I do as all my heirs live in the US, but ex-wife a Norwegian, lives in Oslo again and I in Brazil so they have places to flee to, if airplanes still fly). The flow of events seem to be confirming my expectations of 6+ years ago and a preceding collapse of the euro was not part of my initial analysis. (I expected the dollar debts to drag it down, not the other way round.)

    Your a "valued senior member" so I guess too old to flee to a country like Brazil with a brighter future. You might consider at least getting out of cities, learning how to live on a remote (several day´s walk* from any large US urban area) farm. If you can speak Spanish, try to find such a farm** in Mexico away from the drug problem there. Mexico has twice the US growth rate and half the debt to GDP ratio. Its manufacturing will be hard hit but not the rural sector economy. (The cows will still give milk. A horse can pull a plow and get you into nearby small village, etc. I lived on very isolated farm when I should have been in 4th grade. - 12 mile round trip horse back ride to the nearest one-room school was too much. We made small dam and it could recharge a car battery in about 2 days with the car generator our small water wheel drove. You could have much more electricity now with PV cells. It was really a nice, self reliant, life style with home canned food for the winter, but in Mexico perhaps canning is cannot needed. You can sun dry strips of a pig or can pork too so refrigeration is not needed to. Chickens (and their eggs) will be the main protein as was our case on the farm. We had to do without coffee, but in Mexico you can grow your own.)

    * There will not be any gasoline available for civilian use under the Marshall Law / military government as US will not be able to buy even its essential needs with collapsed dollar. BTW, the executive order / law providing for this was signed years ago (By Clinton as I recall) but only briefly used once (by FEMA) during and immediately after Hurricane Katrina to seize and distribute food. I think most who had items seized were compensated later.

    ** When I moved to Brazil, ~20 years ago, I bought a rundown ~100 acre farm with two small houses and a lake of about 2 acres all for $23,000 which were in great demand then as Brazil had terrible inflation then. It could barely support the 8 or so scrawny cows living on it. (Too much energy used climb up and down hills looking for grass between the weeds.) I put about $2500 into plowing and seeds and 10 years later sold my 50 fat steers for more than price of the farm, not even counting fact that the bad inflation had ended so I could have gone back into ~75,000 dollars with just the Real from selling my steers. I think sort of the same will be possible in Mexico a decade hence when many Americans will move there to escape the riots etc. in the US. The "trick" is to see what´s coming AND ACT before most do.
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  11. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

    Mainly for Desi: Here is some news from Reuters via C. Schwab released today on my "Go to Mexico" suggestion:

    Billy T comment: But there is not a hell of a lot the new president can do if US is sinking into recession, etc. so consider that too. Long term, Mexico, like Brazil and others who avoid the coming depression will do so by exports to Asia. Even Canada will turn there as it is beginning to do now for a market with money to buy Canadian exports, that once went to the US.
  12. desi Valued Senior Member

    What made you decide to move South? Did you speak Spanish before you left? What you say makes sense and I know some Spanish. The move seems like a big gamble.
  13. desi Valued Senior Member

    Thank you for taking the time to explain these things.

    I'm middle aged. I've just been around the net for the past decade or so which makes me a valued senior member some places. I've heard the US has lots of oil in the Dakotas and even a source in Canada from the tar sands.

    If there are riots how do you think the government will react? Do you think the rumors of them using FEMA camps on American citizens is likely? How do you see things going down if the dollar hits hyperinflation?
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    I love him, greatest governor we ever had! He hated be governor once he got in pointed out how horrific the system is and got the fuck out! Third parties is what America needs to end the mindless clout of your 2 horribly corrupt parties.
  15. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

    We speak Portuguese, not Spanish in Brazil, but I still not very well. Here is why I moved South:
    A beautiful Brazilian PhD college professor (at best university in all of S. America, who is now writing her 19th education related book!). I met her for less than 24 hours during an Alcopulco vacation. My plane flight back to US had problem and landed in Dallas where they put me up in hotel with nothing to do, so I wrote her. When I did get home a few days later after brief visit with daughter in Atlanta, there was letter from her for me waiting. (The letters had "crossed in the mail.") We both had made strong favorable impression on the other.

    We had met on AM boat ride in the bay and separated only at ~3AM the next day for her to go back to her hotel and pack to be on her tour bus when it departed. During the next year we both exchanged four visits to the other. I burnt up all the vacation I had in first three of these four visits, so we concocted a course in her university for me to be a guest lecturer in. - APL would let me go for that even if I no longer had vacation left. Every thing, including Brazil´s future, look better and better to me, so I bought a small ~100 acre very-run-down cattle farm (as "plan B") and sold everything I owned in the US and resigned from APL to move into her apartment. After living there for about 12 years we decided to marry, mainly to use a Brazilian marriage form called "total separation of wealth." As we were already common law married by then, we grew concern that if one died the children* of the other had rights to much of the dead ones wealth. (It turned out as I slowly learned that she was and is much richer than I am, so she needed this too.)
    I only met her during that vacation because a couple of things went "wrong" - but they turned out to be the best things that every happened to me. Consider every thing carefully, make some exploratory vacation(s) in Mexico but don´t be too scared to act, if you conclude you should but like me, have a "plan B" which could be to just return to US.

    * Mine by my first wife, a Norwegian school teacher. (It seems I like nice looking ladies who are focused on education and not with typical shallow interests many US girls had, at least in my younger years.)
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  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Wow Billy I always thought you went to Brazil as a Confederado.

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