The Irish are not a ´race´

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Innocence, May 7, 2006.

  1. Innocence Banned Banned

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    Is there such a thing as an Irish "race"?



    https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0205&L=irishlaw&T=0&O=D&F=&S=&P=159Irish Law - Too many Irish people do not want to accept the fact that there is no such thing as an Irish "race" (a racist term in itself) but that they are mongrels and ...

    http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=846422002 How can you be racist about the Irish when they are not a race?

    Book: Amazon.com: How the Irish Became White: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0415918251?v=glance
     
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  3. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    There really aren't races any more. A race is a distinct population of a species that rarely interbreeds with other populations. That occurs with other animals because they become separated by geography. Since the advent of efficient transportation in the past millennium, all the populations of humans have been traveling and interbreeding enthusiastically.

    To even talk about an Irish "race" is silly. The Celts arrived in the British Isles no more than four thousand years ago, and that's nothing on the evolutionary time scale. The Irish are an ethnic group because they have a language and everything else that makes up a culture. But race is strictly biological and they don't have that.
     
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  5. guthrie paradox generator Registered Senior Member

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    Second what Fraggle Rocker says.
     
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  7. Hurricane Angel I am the Metatron Registered Senior Member

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    There's a human race.
     
  8. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Yes there is an Irish race .
    In fact they are the oldest of the European races :
    A very homogenous race to boot as well .
     
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  9. Light Travelling It's a girl O lord in a flatbed Ford Registered Senior Member

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    No, there is a celtic race, the celtic peoples were / are indiginous to Ireland, England, Wales and some of France.

    Of course since then many other races have mixed with the celtic blood, mainly in England but also in Ireland, wales and Scotland
     
  10. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Light Traveling you do the Celts a disservise, the were a far more ranging race than you mention, Google( celts origin ) and you will find the foundations of Europe! a far more glorious race than the Irish could ever claim to be.
     
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  11. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    I third it.
     
  12. Innocence Banned Banned

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    Fraggle Rocker I tend to agree.
     
  13. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    The Celts arrived in Ireland around the 5th century BC before them there had been 3 other migrations into Ireland . The Celts are simply a genetic component of what make the Irish a race .
    The Irish are a distinct race , the Scots came from the Irish as they were an Irish tribe originally all races of the world contain several admixtures .
     
  14. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    there's a different race in each country, and a new race is born every generation.
     
  15. thedevilsreject Registered Senior Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    i think that now with so many people from so many different races interbreeding it is hard to define a race anymore, most people in the world probably have more than one races blood in them
     
  16. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The Celts were the first of the Western Indo-European tribes to migrate out of the Anatolia-Georgia region into sub-Scandinavian Europe. At least the first that we know of, since they were the first to leave tangible archeological evidence in the earth and tangible genetic evidence in their descendants. The timeline, around 3000BCE, fits with the migration of the Eastern Indo-European tribes into the Ukraine, Persia, and India.

    The people who lived in Europe before them of whom we have any significant evidence, such as the Etruscans, the Basques, and those who built Stonehenge, were apparently not Indo-Europeans.

    There was, presumably, a time when all of the European mainland south of Sweden was a Celtic homeland, with the exception of the Etruscans and Basques. The Iberians played bagpipes. The Bohumil inhabited what is now the Czech Republic--which was once named "Bohemia" after them. The Galls lived in what is now southern France--a nation the Romans and Greeks named "Gallia"--and the trilled R heard occasionally in southern France in place of the Germanic gargled R of Paris is evidence.

    The next Indo-European tribe to make a mark on European history was the Greeks. They built the first Indo-European civilization in Europe--as noted, the earlier Etruscans were not Indo-Europeans.

    The next was the Romans. Latin has so many similarities to Gaelic, Welsh, and Breton that linguists have been tempted to put it on a distant branch of the Celtic language family tree. I have never seen a scientific study of how or when the Romans came to be in Rome. As far as I know they may really have been a Celtic tribe, perhaps a holdover from the original migration that had the good fortune to develop a civilization before they were swept away by later immigrants, or perhaps a straggling band of Celts who followed the main part of the tribe a few centuries later and managed to avoid being assimilated by the earlier settlers.
     
  17. guthrie paradox generator Registered Senior Member

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    But you can separate any grouping of people out into a race, depe3nding on which alleles you choose to use to group them.


    But red hair came from a mutation in the North west of Scotland, and besides, which "all races" of the world do you mean? Various accounts talk of yellow haired Celts; others talk of black haired ones. Or maybe the black haired ones were pre-Celtic. Its all rather muddled and simply looking at Genetics wont help much.
     
  18. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    No you cannot , each race must develop certain cultural , linguistic as well as unique genetic charateristics to be considered a race . The Irish meet all of those requirements .
    Red Hair or strawberry blonde is fairly standard throughout Europes peoples in , the vikings were the ones with the most prevalence for red hair just look at the mention of it in their sagas . Fact the mideast as well , King David had red hair . Hair colour is superfluous to a European branch of people . Just face it whenever the Irish get a mention peoples tempers go up , there has to be some bias through centuries of Irish struggle and what we see is evidently a deliberate denial of an Irish identity .
     
  19. houseofknowledge house of knowledge Registered Senior Member

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    Irish are a break of from the english.
     
  20. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    I thought the races were:
    White or Caucasoids
    Yellow or Mongoloids
    Black or Negroids
    Red also seems like a race, but I can't recall a scientific name for the "red" race, so maybe it's not. Anyway, Irish would fall under "white".
     
  21. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Those ideas are just a tad outdated...
     
  22. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    No more so than this thread.
     
  23. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Huh!?
     

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