The Ineffability of God's Will

it's hard for me to believe that you're this retarded. are you in some kind of facility or something? do you have someone feeding you and directing you to the bathroom? how in the fuck can you respond to what you just quoted with this?! you are either a troll, or you are hands down the dumbest bitch i've ever come across.

MY WHOLE FUCKING POINT IS, AND HAS BEEN THROUGHOUT THIS THREAD, THAT IT'S ME. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT YOU DUMB FUCK. CAN'T YOU READ? CAN'T YOU COMPREHEND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE? WTF?!

i have said repeatedly now that it is ALL OF US. first fucking post i said it's all of us. and for the retarded people like yourself, that means me too. it also means you bells, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU'RE SO PISSED OFF. nobody's going to blame you. nothing wrong with you is there princess?

you make me sick.

i'm changing the world bells. what the fuck are you doing except denying your part, making excuses and passing the buck? pathetic.

i abhor the suffering of others which is why i'm doing whatever it takes to stop it, which first requires identifying the problem. YOU WON'T EVEN DO THAT. the way it works is that you have to admit to being part of the problem before you can ever be part of the solution, and you and many others just don't have what it takes to do that. because you're all liars.

for someone to blatently deny the cause of such things and LEARN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM IT is what's cold, heartless, selfish, and nauseating.

here's you paraphrased, "nope, nothing wrong with me. i'm not part of the problem. i'm such a dumb ass i don't know what makes people do these things, i don't know why people suffer, and i don't really give a flying fuck."

you can think whatever fantastic thing you want, and it's sad to know you're lying to your kids. good to know we'll soon have another couple of blind, deaf, and dumb motherfuckers just like you walking around in denial. terrific. because none of your dumb pathetic asses are doing a damn thing to help this particular victim, or the next, or the next, or the next, or the next. and you can believe all the lies you want and tell yourself all about how everything's just fine and we're all just fine while the world's falling in on your head, but that isn't going to stop the world from falling in on your thick head.

 

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Does God never learn?

Well, let's look at two aspects of it.

• What I initially find cruel is the proposition that God would will a human being to endure such an ordeal in order that you could be reminded of what you already believe.

— That you celebrate and worship such a God includes you in that cruelty.​

• What then develops is that you would wish for the coming of this God.

— And we'll pass, for the moment, the question of your confidence in your own salvation.​

In the first, you're suggesting that God is something of an idiot. After all, as you explained, far too many people either cannot or will not understand.

True story: There is in history a fairly repugnant document called the Requerimiento. The Spaniards would recite it to the indigenous Americans they encountered. The Requerimiento essentially ordered the tribes to submit to Spaniard crown and religion, and threatened the destruction of villages, killing of men, and enslavement of women and children; it also asserted that this outcome would be entirely the fault of the tribes.

Now, as repugnant as that might sound, the Spaniards were initially confused when the tribes simply ignored them.

Somewhere in there, it occurred to somebody that they probably ought not read it in Latin, but figure the local language and express the terms as the tribes would understand. Naturally, the Spaniards were puzzled when the people became angry at being threatened.

The point here is that God, by your reasoning—and as I expressed to Signal—seems to be "preaching to the choir". As you said, "a lot of people either don't get it, or don't care". Okay, fine. But you do. So this horrible desecration of humanity reminds you of what you already believe, and it's a better reason for such an atrocity than none at all.

Rape and immolation of a fourteen year-old girl in order to reaffirm for someone thousands of miles away what they already believe is what I might call a grotesquely inefficient means of communication.

Indeed, you've actually made a cartoon make sense. At least I get that out of the situation. Still, though, I don't think it's worth the price. It would have been enough for me to simply laugh at the absurdity of it without ever having found an application.

As to the coming of this cruel and terrible God, as I've already noted, you might as well be hoping for the rise of Cthulhu.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

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tiassa, are you under the impression that i came out of the womb knowing what i know (or as you put it "what i believe")? because i didn't. i actually had to live quite a while in this fucked up and painful world, and suffer quite a bit, and witness the suffering of others, before i did what it takes. that is, opened my eyes to what now seems obvious. and as the suffering continues perhaps god is waiting on the rest of you dumb fucks to open your eyes too?

how long do you think that might take?

 

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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Given the cruelty of your God, I think the longer it takes, the better.

Besides, in the meantime, it means a whole lot more people are going to get hurt really, really badly, so you can feel even better about how right you think you are.

Does God know what is in your heart?

 

you mean how wrong i think i am don't you? ie. sinner. you know that thing that so many of you won't admit to? being wrong? i'm pretty sure that's why all of your panties are in a bunch isn't it?

and yes god is aware; he's the one that put it there.

 

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Is that your latest tack? Okay, then.

And, yet, you're praying for judgment.

 

This thread has degenerating into a clash of personalities...which is often the case where strong opinions interact.

 

I don't see strong opinions. I see a couple of lying trolls.

 

How exactly is this coherent?

 

regular maintenance is an excellent description. Regular masturbation is one of the best ways to help prevent prostate cancer in later life.

My ex was a radiographer and was always very insistent on a daily routine - bless her!

 

So does sex.

 

So now you're going to pretend that all along you had no idea that I was a Christian and you had no idea that the acknowledgement of oneself as a sinner is a foundation of Christianity?

From my first response I've reiterated that we're all guilty. We're all accountable and we all carry this burden. I was very clear.

I've also spoken of my own repentance. The definition of that word is to turn away from sin. Obviously implying that I have my own sin to turn from. I've also spoken of redemption. If I wasn't a sinner there would be no need for it.

You are being extremely dishonest.

Do you think for one second that anyone who reads this thread thinks you give a shit about this girl or what happened to her? You're not shedding any tears. You're not losing any sleep. You read that account and said, "ha! I can use this girl's tragedy to stick it to religious people because I don't like them.". How honorable.

Then you go on to propose that your admitted detachment, disassociation, and denial somehow elevates you to a higher moral ground. When I'm testifying to the fact that suffering such as this has changed my life. It's changed me, because I accept responsibility and I am accountable, and I recognize that what's wrong with the world is my problem, and that is how I change the world.

The only reason you've got an attitude and bells is projectile vomiting all over your thread like Linda Blair in the exorcist is because I dared to suggest that it's your problem too, and that you're responsible too, because you're a sinner too. And let's be clear that your proposed solution of denial and finger pointing never changed a goddamn thing.

of course i am. judgement is the revelation of the truth. it figures you wouldn't want that.

 

my apologies. it does help if you read it in context though, as a response to her lie, that i'm somehow suggesting i'm above it all. that's the exact opposite of what i've said in every post. i've said repeatedly that it's all of our fault. it's my fault, and it's her fault too. that accusation is why she's blatantly lying and throwing an insane fit.

 

You're a fucking troll bells. I wasn't thankful and I wasn't gleeful. I suggested that the only benefit of a tragedy like this or any suffering is if you learn something from it and it changes you, which it has me.

You on the other hand stick your nose up in the air and point a finger. Obviously no help is coming from you.

And you're damn right I'm praying for the apocalypse because I know damn well it's exactly what it will take to rid the world of ineffectual lying pieces of shit like yourself so that those of us who have learned something can start over and do it right. It's clearly the only thing that will abolish sin and the associated suffering. You have no interest in abolishing suffering. Denial and finger pointing hasn't been working how many 1000's of years? You're a fucking liar.

 

How many times are you going to quote the same thing bells? Keep in mind the rest of us aren't retarded like you.

There are plenty of people who learn from suffering and there are plenty of people who repent. You're just not one of them. We're not celebrating. We're not gleeful. We're accountable and we won't be satisfied until not one more tear is shed.

I don't pray for you at all bells. I don't give a shit which side you're on. Stop looking for a hand out and be accountable for yourself.

For all I care you're the scowling lump I step over on my way to victory.

 

I don't understand why you think lust (eg porn) is the reason that this happened to this girl? My watching porn at home has nothing to do with the horrible crime committed by some man, who I don't know.

I think you are confusing a sickness (this man's violent crime) for what something that you feel is immoral (porn). That would be like saying because someone is a homosexual that it makes them a pedophile. Uhhh no.

What caused this young girl's tragic death was a man who was very sick in the head. You may disagree with porn, but watching porn does not turn anyone into a sick individual such as this man. Not anymore than someone going to Outback turns them into an alligator tail.

Did you seriously mean this? Every single person who watches porn should rot in Hell? Even me? Do you think I'm evil because I watch it every now and then in the privacy of my home with my partner?

That is your opinion (about porn) but that does not make it fact.

You don't believe in mental illness? So you are saying demons did it? Because I'm telling you that my watching porn from my house doesn't push a button causing people to run about and committing violent sick crimes such as this. That is simply not logical.

Me or anyone else who watches porn didn't cause this man to do what he did. No more than you watching an Elvis movie and getting turned on causes him to commit such a horrific crime. :shrug:

 

Heart,

I think blaming mental illness is just as much of a cop out as blaming demons.

And bottom line is that we all live in a world where shit like this and worse happens right under our noses all day every day, and there is absolutely no hope that humanity alone will ever do anything to stop it. Particularly when you're buying the same shit this guy is, and nobody is willing to admit that there's anything wrong with us.

You don't give a shit about the women in those porn movies. As a matter of fact I'd bet you wouldn't want anything to do with them on a real and personal level. They're just pieces of meat that you use for purposes of self gratification, which is the exact mentality of the pastor, he just took it to another level.