@Sarkus, lets change the the order of the line items:  The product of the imagination is NOT determined by the laws of physics.  The imagination does not need to defy the laws of physics but renders them irrelevant as per choice.  The criteria that for freewill to be real it must defy the laws of physics has *therefore* been refuted.  There is no need for me to bring in other more complex arguments than the above...  Choices and decisions etc are made with the use of the imagination. A total fiction until "published" into action.  Thus freewill is actual and real and in no way an illusion. [ as defined in this thread ] Does that make it any easier for you? Perhaps you are using a mobile phone or are reading and responding to the post line by line rather than taking the entire post in first before responding? I must admit I am sometimes guilty of doing this much to my detriment too I might add, as it leads to false representation of the poster and also my own view. Can I recommend that you take in the entire post before responding so that context can be ascertained properly?