The Human Brain Is Incapable Of Understanding Anything

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Steve Klinko, Apr 29, 2021.

  1. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    Please explain how this works.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    How does any electrochemical reaction work? How does harmony work?. How does affinity work? How do physics work?

    You need a lesson in physics? Is your brain incapable of understanding anything?
     
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  5. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    You do realize that we are talking about a Conscious Experience here, and not the Physics of how Sensors work?
     
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  7. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    I don't understand.
     
  8. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    Yikes!!!
     
  9. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    ?? I don't understand.
     
  10. Sherlock Holmes Registered Member

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    I can't understand your post.
     
  11. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    All I can do is try. People get it, or they don't. Sometimes people will get it after more thought on the issue.
     
  12. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    I think you are now saying that you don't understand why you don't understand.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you separate the conscious experience from the sensory physics which provides the conscious experience.
    They are not separate functions, these are integrated functions. The conscious experience begins at the cellular sensory level.

    This is obvious in very simple brainless organisms which already respond to sensory excitation.
     
  14. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    I separate it because there is no Scientific Explanation for how Experiences are produced by Sensory Physics. But even more compelling is that the Experiences are in fact already Separate in the Reality of the Manifest Universe. Trying to push Experience back into the Neurons has not been very productive. New perspectives are needed. I like the Connection Perspective. Dualism is back in town.
     
  15. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    "Separate in the Reality of the Manifest Universe"

    Sounds like the title of a bad prog rock CD.
     
  16. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    It certainly feels as if a bit of brain salad surgery might be in order.

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  17. river

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    True .
     
  18. river

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    The Mind . Awareness . The Mind , biological holistic energy ; communication between the parts , which on their own could never evolve .
     
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  19. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Mind is a function of the brain. In the same way that holding something is a function of the hand.

    Is that so hard to grasp?

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  20. river

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    Mind is where the energies of different parts of the Brain come together , hence thought .
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Yes there is.

    For instance, you asked about the visual sensation of the colour red, I believe.

    What we call red light has a particular range of wavelengths. In the human eye, there are visual receptors that produce chemical signals in response to red light. Those chemical signals in turn produce electrical impulses that travel into the human brain, where there is a large network of neurons that can communicate with one another chemically and electrically.

    Science has identified particular regions of the brain that are specialised in handling certain sensory inputs. In the case of red light, some processing happens in the visual cortex of the brain. Signals are then distributed from there to other parts of the brain's neural network, which is very complex.

    The seat of conscious experience seems to be located in the frontal lobes. Inputs to there come from other parts of the brain. So, ultimately, the conscious experience of "red" is produced there.

    Now, obviously this is no more than a broad overview of a very large and technical topic. But you can go and read the peer-reviewed literature in the neuroscience journals if you want all the details.

    Suffice it to say that your claim that "there is no scientific explanation" is belied just by the few paragraphs above.

    You'll need to unpack that for me. What are you talking about?

    Which experiences happen in isolation from brains?
     
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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The Human Brain Is Incapable Of Understanding Anything

    Let's debunk this right away.

    Here is a clear demonstration of the brain gaining understanding. It's remarkable how quick the brain is able to learn to separate "words" from random noise. It's only 3 min long, so take a moment and "learn".
     
  23. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Heh. If a witch mixes together eye of newt, toe of frog, wool of bat, tongue of dog, etc according to a highly technical procedure -- and a vision of King Arthur's court reliably appears privately for her or anyone who else who performs the process, then that's an explanation of the manifestation. (It just doesn't go deep beyond that superficial level -- it lacks a background theory to account for it that's universally compatible with the rest.)

    Do you see how you're not getting anywhere with the absolutely "no explanation" skit, rather than focusing on the coherence of an explanation with a world wherein "conjuring" is normally taken to be beyond the capabilities of matter? I.e., the existing components (particles, atoms, molecules) usually constitute an _X_ and its behavior via their recognized properties and organization. Rather than not constituting a peculiar _X_ by unrecognized properties not attributed to them beforehand and not detectable in them even after a radical non-public novelty arises in correspondence with their dynamic relationships.

    No, I thought not. You're still going to keep entertaining audiences with that "absolutely no explanation provided" routine.
     
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