The "homophobic" lie

I suspect as much.

 

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I can't really answer any of those.

As for guys getting guys horny, there's a big difference between getting a guy horny by talking about hetero (or lesbian) sex, vs getting horny for a guy.

In all seriousness, I can't even fathom being turned on by another guy. I do, it the course of my ongoing "research" (of an unspecified nature) watch normal guy/girl porn. The most I ever consider of the male part is that

1) He's not so ugly that it ruins it

2) I can picture my self in that position

That's about it. This is all completely in the realm of my "scientific research" into ummm... err... never mind.

 

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Hmph.

Maybe I should have included the sentence about setting.

At any rate, in one of my circles of friends (there are, I think, three that never seem to overlap), several of the men routinely greet one another with warm embraces. Now, admittedly, this did start specifically to make a point, and to make a point in Oregon. But it strikes me that if that sort of behavior is/was seen as "gay", why should people be so permissive or indifferent about various affectionate greetings between women?

I mean, it says something about men, but I haven't figured out exactly what.

 

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We can't dismiss the overwhelming differences between men and women regarding ancient and powerful perspectives on sex. We have highly divergent agendas in this regard...

 

Outline: Links, homophobia, general perversion, rules, survey

Have some fun ....

• Black, Noel. "Ted Haggard's Crystal Cathedral: A Visit to the Gayest Place on Earth". TheStranger.com, November 6, 2006. See http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=100742

• TheStranger.com. "Descriptions of the HUMP! Films". October 3, 2007. See http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=408917

• Kiley, Brendan. "They saw the Hump! 3 ad and completely freaked out". Slog. May 14, 2007. See http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/05/they_saw_the_hump_3_ad_and_completely_fr

• Savage, Dan. "Hump! 3". TheStranger.com, May 2, 2007. See http://new.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=213753

• Sanders, Eli, et al. "Homo History". TheStranger.com, June 20, 2007. See http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=247561 ​

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Just for the record ... this is Ivar Haglund. And this is Ken Schram.

On that last, you'll love the Hump! 3 movie review for The Old Man and the Schrammie. Okay, the review isn't anything special, but still, it's just one of those things that is so twisted, it's funny. I'll leave Zombie Tapioca Love Fest 4000 out of it.

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Oh, damn. How could I forget the one link I was looking for in the first place?

Constant, Paul. "Fucking Around". TheStranger.com, October 3, 2007. See http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=408922 ​

Okay ...

 

Question:
If finding gay sex gross makes me gay, does that make me finding horse sex arousing not a horse?

And for the record, I fucking hate horses.

 

No.

How vapid.

 

Really?
I fail to see the difference between being disgusted by sodomy between two males, and that between a woman and a horse.

 

And that's your problem. Don't make it anyone else's.

 

No, I just meant that homophobia may not always be directly connected to sex, or one's own sex, if you prefer, but as a neurosis it could divulge more than the obvious. There are a slew of reasons. Another thought (but am too uninterested to research) is that homophobia seems to be typically a middle and lower middle class phenomena. Something to do with territorial pissing grounds I suppose.

 

Wait a sec here.

Are we saying that if I don't like squid, I really like squid?

Or as roman pointed out, that if I don't like being boned by a horse, I really like being boned by a horse?

Is it remotely possible that since I find the idea of sex of any kind with a male repulsive, that I really just plain find it repulsive?

 

Hmm graphic jokes. Interesting.

 

I can do better... A man on a horse trots into a bar and... never mind.

 

Basically, what all these pages are trying to say is:

THERE IS A PSYCHO-BABBLE EXPLANATION FOR EVERYTHING.

And psycho-babblists can go on and on and on trying to convince themselves as well as others that they're right, and anyone who doesn't agree is wrong.

For the psycho-babblist, they're right just by virtue of saying so.

Baron Max

 

I hate Jews and SAM hates Americans.
Hmm.
Jewsex.

 

I don't hate Americans, I DON"T!!!!

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Why would you hate Jews?

 

Everyone says you do.
Damn, I thought I had a chance.

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It's more a question of trying to figure out why certain people so passionately hate the notion of other people having homosexual sex when it is perfectly clear that those other people enjoy it and desire it. People go to great lengths to ostracize gays from society and deny them the ability to conduct their relationships in the way they see fit and to publicly humiliate and harass them when the opportunity arises.

That is more than just "not liking squid" that is committing yourself to belittling, mistreating and denying rights to everyone who enjoys their calamari. I don't personally think that all homophobes are closeted gays who deal with their self doubt by lashing out at others who remind them of their own issues, but that is one reason why some homophobes probably act the way they do. The others may well have different issues, but that sort of thing wouldn't me all that uncommon a reaction from a psychological point of view.

People are free to not be attracted to members of their own sex, and to not want to have gay sex, but that's different from wanting to deny gays the right to marry, or to adopt children.

 

Do I disagree with this? Of course not. But there's something a bit more visceral about considering gay sex vs eating squid also. This may account for the elevated reactions of some people. Yes? I think it goes directly to the heart of arguably the most fundamental drive of humans and any sexually reproducing species. Si?

 

No, I think it's ultimately the same issue!

But I'm not going to derail this thread onto the gay marriage bullshit, so....

Baron Max