The History of the Universe in 8 minutes:

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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Bingo!

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    They are predicted to occur around the same time, but yes, you probably are correct.
     
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    Your emotional rants become you.
     
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    Except I did not say that. Please read the whole post.
    Let me again clear up your misunderstanding.
    Due to the tidal gravity effects, the Earth is slowing in its rotation period, and the Moon is being pulled into a higher orbit.
    This will continue until Earth has one side permanently facing the Moon, and a day is equal to a lunar month. The Moon of course will maintain its one face towards Earth while being further away.

    This may explain it better for you

    or this pdf.....
    http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/sao/downloads/HET602-M04A02.pdf
    Plenty on the net supporting everything I have said dmoe, so really it would not have been too difficult for you to find the information supporting everything I have said.
    Being a nice bloke though. I don't mind too much.

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    Here's some more info.......
    Of course all this will probably take effect in around 2 to 3 billion years, which just happens to be around the same time the Sun is predicted to become a red giant which may possibly swallow the Earth anyway.

    What all this means dmoe is the dynamic nature not only of the Universe, but even our solar system and Earth/Moon system.
    This is why we have total and annular eclipses now, while in the past annular eclipses were impossible [Moon was closer to Earth] and in the future total eclipses will be Impossible as the Moon is further away and therefor its apparent disc size will be smaller than the apparent Sun disc size.
    So you see dmoe, the claims were not claims but facts built on data, and certainly not spurious,,,They are predictions based on knowledge gained over the years on the Earth/Moon system.
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I was of course comparing those two greats with the pseudoscience cranks which infest this forum today.
     
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  8. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Nowhere in your Post #116, paddoboy, do you say that you are making a 'prediction'! :

    "It has been mentioned on the forum before, but the final outcome of this ritual gravitational tug o war between the EARTH/MOON system, will be a future of Lunar long Earth days, and the Moon much much further away.
    The Earth will always have one side permanently facing the Moon, just as the Moon always has one side facing the Earth.
    This same effect is not uncommon throughout our solar system, and certainly operational with Pluto/Charon system.
    Similar tidal locking effects are in vogue with many moons and their mother Planets, including the Jovian Satellites and Mar's Phobos and Deimos."

    - ^^complete quote^^ of Post #116

    ...so...no... "Reputable Evidence"...again...

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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Certainly I'm not making any prediction. I'm stating facts and data that culminate in logical predictions of mainstream science.
    It is also now obvious that you are once again resurrecting your "problem"regarding me, and which has been so obvious to many on this forum.
    I'm not playing your irrational games and if you like we'll let the mods handle this "problem"
    Other than that, my information based on science and many reputable links is obvious and accepted.
    What you accept is neither here nor there but certainly predictable.
    Bye dmoe, Have a good day,

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  11. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

    Because your video seems to be just a talking head, and takes over four minutes to explain something that only requires one minute, or 30 seconds with a few diagrams.

    As paddoboy has said, the moon will not actually "leave" Earth orbit for at least fifty billion years, and at that time the same face of each body will be tidally locked, with the same side of each facing each other and a terrestrial day equal to about what is today about a lunar month. The moon will be too far away from Earth at that point in order for the Earth's rotation to transfer additional angular momentum to it. The moon will never escape.

    Since that point in time is already several times beyond than the current age of the known universe, and also far beyond the time our the sun runs out of nuclear fuel and expands to become a red giant, we can say without reservation that the Moon will be with the Earth until it no longer makes any difference whether it is still there or not. Our race will never see this day unless some of us are much further from the sun when it happens.

    Typically this observation is nearest the end of all such threads discussing such things. Thanks to all the other lunatics who helped kill it off once again.

    And we did it in less than eight pages. Maybe we should make a video. Unlike Tyson's, it would not have a very happy ending.
     
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  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You mean 5 billion years?
     
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    "The Moon is gradually receding from Earth into a higher orbit, and calculations suggest that this would continue for about fifty billion years."

    The references are in the Wikipedia article cited.
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Wow! I realise that figures are refined as more data comes in, but this is a doozy!
    The article was updated in June this year. Just wondering if its a misprint?
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    OK, I'm now reasonably satisfied as to the validity of the 50 billion years claimed in the WIKI site.
    One aspect that most were not considering.
    As the Sun bloats, our Oceans and seas will all dry up. This alone will eliminate most, but not all tidal breaking.
    Explained in the following far better than I am able.........

    https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...-to-become-tidally-locked-to-the-moon.631280/
    Q:the earth will one day become tidally locked to the moon the way the moon is locked to the earth today, so that the same face of the earth always faces the moon. If this is true, how long will that process take?
    A:Tidal braking is slowing the earth's rotation by about a millisecond per century. Assuming that was to remain constant, it would take so long for earth to become tidally locked with the moon, our sun would have long since become a white dwarf. We do, however, know the assumption of constant braking is invalid. Tidal braking also causes the moon to receed from earth which will diminish the braking effect over time. We also know that earth will lose its oceans within a few billion years, which will eliminate the source of most tidal braking. In short, the answer effectively becomes nearly eternity.


    Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...-to-become-tidally-locked-to-the-moon.631280/

    50 billion years or eternity?
    I'm not going to quibble.

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  16. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    Well done!!!
     
  17. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    ...so...30 billion years or so after the Earth (and probably the Moon along with it !!) is absorbed by our sun while progressing through it's "Red Giant" phase of it's Stellar Life Cycle - maybe then... "The Earth will always have one side permanently facing the Moon," !!??

    Gee, so when you said "Plenty on the net supporting everything I have said dmoe, so really it would not have been too difficult for you to find the information supporting everything I have said." ...quoted from your Post #123...
    In all actuality, if you had indeed done any true research, you would have found out what many of us already knew.

    But, you evidently prefer Ad Hom's over Honesty : "Certainly I'm not making any prediction. I'm stating facts and data that culminate in logical predictions of mainstream science.
    It is also now obvious that you are once again resurrecting your "problem"regarding me, and which has been so obvious to many on this forum.
    I'm not playing your irrational games and if you like we'll let the mods handle this "problem"
    Other than that, my information based on science and many reputable links is obvious and accepted.
    What you accept is neither here nor there but certainly predictable.
    Bye dmoe, Have a good day," - Quote of your Post #126

    paddoboy, wasn't it you that Posted : "I asked for reputable references not excuses." - Quoted from your Post #22, in this Thread : http://sciforums.com/threads/geocentric-belief.151924/page-2

    so, paddoboy, you can make "excuses" - and hurl Ad Homs - but you do not have to supply these "reputable references" that you demand from other Posters?

    ...and you accuse me of having a "problem"...
     
  18. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    dmoe, it's clear you have a problem. That problem seems to be that you hate and stalk paddo just to gain "wins" when you catch him saying "incorrect" or "inaccurate" stuff.

    Like my "..."? I hope you do because you use them a lot.

    I'll end this with another dmoe classic.

    "..."
     
  19. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    so, Kristoffer, "Trolling" again, aye?

    No, I DO NOT "...hate and stalk paddo just to gain "wins"... "...

    For your information, when I Post "..." - the "..." signifies one of a few things :

    "..." - acknowledgement that I read the Post, and that no response is required -

    "..." - acknowledgement that I read the Post, but I prefer not to respond to any "Baiting" or "Trolling" in that Post -

    Kristoffer, since you have joined sciforums.com, you have "Trolled" me quite a bit - so do you "Hate" me, and are you "Stalking" me, "just to gain "wins" " ?

    p.s. If you utilize the "Report" Button when you believe that I am violating Forum Rules - maybe you can get me "Banned".

    p.s.s. You really should read this entire Thread...
     
  20. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Adding to the fact that of the dynamics of our Earth/Moon system due to tidal gravitational interactions such as...
    [1]Slowing of Earth's rotation
    [2] Lengthening of Earth's day
    [3] Eventually Earth having one side only ever facing the Moon just as the Moon only ever has one side facing Earth at present
    [4] Larger Moon orbital parameters.
    Effects of course from the Sun would also play a part as well as Jupiter and the other planets.
    Naturally also playing a part is the life cycle of the Sun. When it does enter its giant red phase, Mercury and Venus will certainly be engulfed, Earth possibly but cosmologists are not 100% sure.....although it will certainly be made devoid of life!
    Other dynamic solar system effects that may also have occurred in the past is planetary migration particularly possible with Jupiter.
    The is drawn from extra solar observations of "Hot Jupiters" close to their parent stars.
    A video of this possible effect narrated by Brian Cox is available on the net somewhere.
     
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    Hi Kristoffer...Best he be left alone mate..Not really worth it.

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    The other point that has been made also with the dynamics of the Earth/Moon system, and one which surprised me somewhat, is that Asimov and one apparent supporter was entirely wrong in his/there apparent ridiculous assumption that the Moon is not extending its orbital parameters.
     
  23. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    I read nothing in this Thread that would cause me to believe that Isaac Asimov or any Member of this Forum was "wrong in his/there apparent ridiculous assumption that the Moon is not extending its orbital parameters." ! Simply because I read nothing that I could directly attribute to Isaac Asimov or any Member that would lead me to think that that "ridiculous assumption" had been made!

    The only reference to any "sumption" at all, in this Thread, was when you stated : "Or do you have a reference other than the one that I presume [my previous post] you nabbed it from?" in your Post #41, of this Thread.
    That is you, paddoboy, Stating that you made a "presumption", is it not?

    Sorry, paddoboy, but where in this Thread did anyone - including Mr. Isaac Asimov - State, Post, Quote or Claim this "ridiculous assumption that the Moon is not extending its orbital parameters." ?

    The prime "suspect" Post/Link - where that may possibly have occurred - would be the Link : http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_16.htm , from your own Post #38.

    I would ask that you PLEASE provide Quotes or Links to the "Evidence" that either Isaac Asimov and/or : "one apparent supporter" ever actually expressed "his/there apparent ridiculous assumption that the Moon is not extending its orbital parameters.".

    In closing, just a reminder : The first statement by you, in your Post #22, in this Thread : http://sciforums.com/threads/geocentric-belief.151924/page-2
     

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