The great HIV/AIDS thread

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by spuriousmonkey, Dec 27, 2006.

  1. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Post by metakron moved to cesspool due to failure to comply to the moderators instructions. So far he had three threads to come up with the argument to back up his claims and hasn't grasped the chance in any of them. Trolling will not be tolerated on this particular subject. AIDS denial is of such an irresponsible nature that I will not allow for its propaganda to spew freely. I'm quite happy if there would be a debate on the mechanisms of HIV and the link to AIDS.

    You may well compare AIDS denial to holocause denial. I'm sure that for both cases there are internet sites that claim that neither is real. That is not going to get you of the hook of actually backing up this claims if you want to post them here. You may discuss the ethical aspects of AIDS denial here:
    http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1251381#post1251381



    Metakron's post moved here:
    http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=61071
     
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  3. shakushinnen Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks Spurious,
    I have no idea what's going on here. I know nothing about Aids denial or any of the other things you refer to. I just wanted to know the difference, if there is one, between HIV and AIDS. I remember when AIDS was first discovered it wasn't referred to as HIV/AIDS. I just wondered why the change in name - THAT ALL!
    Thanks for the reference. That answers my question.
    John
     
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  5. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    The slash merely represents a division.
    HIV/AIDS. A thread about HIV and AIDS

    a dash would make it one word.

    HIV-AIDS. a thread about HIV-AIDS.


    Sorry for the confusion.
     
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  7. URI IMU Registered Senior Member

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    Effective AIDS Drug

    http://www.physorg.com/news86960302.html

    >> Clinical studies of the drug, called an integrase inhibitor, showed that, when combined with two existing drugs, it reduced the virus to undetectable levels in nearly 100 percent of HIV patients prescribed a drug regimen for the first time, The Los Angeles Times said Tuesday. It had a similar effect in 72 percent of salvage therapy patients, who take a mixture of existing medications aimed at stalling the virus until new drugs appear.

    The drug essentially prevents the virus' DNA from integrating with a host's cells, inhibiting its ability to replicate itself.

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration should approve it in mid-2007. Manufacturer Merck & Co. is making it available sooner to patients in desperate straits.

    "They tested it on some people who were in deep, deep salvage therapy, and even those people did remarkably well," Dr. Steven Deeks, a University of California, San Francisco salvage therapy authority, told the Times. "It seems to be a truly phenomenal drug that ... is changing the whole way we think about the management of these patients." >>>

    Now that is promising
     
  8. shakushinnen Registered Senior Member

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    Hi Spurious,
    No confusion for me. I didn't even consider the difference between slash and hyphen. Thanks for the primer.
    John
     
  9. shakushinnen Registered Senior Member

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    That's wonderful URI!
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    HIV is a virus.

    AIDS is the disease (or, technically, syndrome) caused by the HIV virus.
     
  11. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Tell HIM that.
     
  12. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    So you agree now that HIV causes AIDS?
     
  13. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    No I do not. I'm amazed at what you think convinces people. If it does work it's a sad commentary.
     
  14. shakushinnen Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks James.......... John
     
  15. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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  16. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    I've been browsing a bit through the HIV literature and found the following article in Nature Reviews Microbiology

    4 January 2007
    Is HIV-1 evolving to a less virulent form in humans?
    Is there attenuation?

    Not all HIV subtypes are equal though


    But in conclusion there is no real evidence that HIV is getting less virulent.
     
  17. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    That's not exactly true.
    Although I don't know what the exact percentage would be. Probably pretty damned close to 100% but accuracy in this case, I think, would suggest to round down to 99% if any rounding should occur at all.
     
  18. theTooth Registered Member

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    If you believe this, should Africans believe Europeans and Americans are rutinely having sex with sheep?

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  19. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    mod statement:
    This thread has seen no action for almost a month. Members decided to rather discuss HIV rather somewhere else. Therefore I declare this thread unstickied.
     
  20. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    The amazing thing is that they have actually managed to get around the fact that the so-called indicator diseases for AIDS do not require any "HIV" infection to be around to cause disease.

    http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/MMWRhtml/00018871.htm

    They include cervical cancer and tuberculosis on this list.
     
  21. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6357287.stm

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    HIV rapidly evolves, but not all areas of the virus do so. Until now it was difficult to say which areas can rapidly evolve and which areas cannot. Areas that are crucial for entering the cell could be conserved. Now these researchers have shown a prediction of the area that could be used for vaccine research.
     
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    http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070212/full/070212-10.html

     
  23. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    And when the researcher who "discovered" HIV lied about a lot of things, it somehow has no bearing on all this. Amazing.
     

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