The fox and chicken paradox

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Ted Grant II, May 14, 2017.

  1. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

    As everybody knows, foxes love chickens. Given that a fox could eat many chickens, it follows that there must be many more chickens than foxes (assuming that's all they eat).

    If you ask a theologian why there are foxes (or any other carnivore), you might get the answer that the sin of Adam and Eve caused to world to be "broken", they brought sin into the world and that's why foxes eat chickens. Apparently, before the "fall", foxes used to be vegetarians and probably eat grass.

    If you study the anatomy of carnivores and herbivores , you will find significant differences. Some herbivores have complex digestive systems because their food is so poor. In addition, herbivores have to eat all day long, whereas carnivores can spend much of their time sleeping, because their food is so rich. There are obvious advantages of meat as a source of food, but it does involve that ungodly business of killing. I cannot believe that the sin of Adam and Eve could be the cause of the ugly business of carnivore anatomy and behavior.
    I just don't see the connection.

    Given the facts of life, it seems difficult to believe that a single god designed both foxes and chickens.
    Imagine his planning ideas. He wanted foxes to be fast, cunning and have the equipment for killing chickens.
    On the other hand, he wanted chickens to detect the scent of a fox, run away or perhaps fly away, so he equipped them accordingly. In other words, he had contrary objectives.

    In order to escape from this paradox, I propose that there must be two gods.
    A chicken god, who is nice and a fox god who is nasty.

    This easily explains all the puzzles in creation.

    The chicken god makes pretty sunsets and rainbows.
    The fox god makes earthquakes and malaria.

    Unfortunately, I like chicken with rice, so I don't know which god to worship.
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

    Worship just the Chicken on Monday Wednesday and Friday

    Worship just the Rice on Tuesday Thursday and Saturday

    Not the gods

    just Chicken

    just Rice

    Rest on Sunday

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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

    Aren't vegetarians evil then by raising defenseless plants in killing fields just to eat them?

    If so, I guess I'm worshiping the banana God right now.
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  7. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

    Agree most plants are defenseless

    Some have prickles or are poisonous but that entails some of the plants to be sacrificed for the remaining to survive

    And of course the active Venus fly trap

    How about we genetically modified them up in size?

    First up to bunny rabbit and groundhog size

    Then up to fox size

    There are more than 500 varieties of banana plants in the world. The most common kinds are Dwarf Cavendish, Valery, and Williams Hybrid bananas.

    Other types of bananas include Apple and a small red banana called the Red Jamaica

    Well you have a nice choice of gods

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  8. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

    There 333 trillion gods.

  9. birch Valued Senior Member

    what's evil/corrupt is the 'whole' system altogether. consider the rules of the game.

    the best one can do is use that awareness to live as ethically as possible within the framework we did not choose or design.
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  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    Have you ever read "The Log of the Ark"? :

    A lot of your ideas of how theologians might argue about carnivorous creatures seem rather similar to that story.

    It was a children's book, of course.

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  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    That's where you draw the line with the plausibility of Adam and Eve and Eden?

    The rest of it's all fine, but you balk at ... foxes?

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  12. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    That would be garbage theology.
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  13. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    Exactly. Just about all organisms grow by consuming other organisms and the dividing line at which that is seen to become cruel is inevitably arbitrary.

    The whole thing is a childish straw man (or Aunt Sally, pace Yazata), since no serious theology of the Fall argues anything like this. But this poster is a bit obsessed. Did you see his recent thread about nailing chickens (dead I think) to pieces of wood? That was rather hilarious. I recommend it.

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