The first experimental measurement of God; to a 2-decimal point accuracy

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Correct
    Half right
    I have never claimed you have no data
    I am sure YOU have what you claim is data and
    I am also sure the enormous 50 year peer published library sized experimental literature, produced by 1000 man academic psychometry research army in 50 years using desktop computers testing millions of people worldwide with Personality and IQ tests which form the enormous DATA which underlies this discovery.

    However data is NOT, repeat NOT evidence. A small detail you need to be reminded about

    Take and use the the enormous 50 year peer published library and please use said data to go out and round up the evidence

    All evidence as I keep reminding you has detectability and / or physicality

    Here is a simple question
    WHAT aspect(s) of god does your enormous 50 year peer published library of data point to?

    Hight has been mentioned but I took that as being a light joke

    Can you list ANY property of god that your data highlights?

    If so spread said nugget of data around so that others can be made aware of some aspect of god

    Even better. Stuff classed as FACT are so well known, even lay people, are aware of their existentence

    You do not have to

    A single nugget of evidence is all that is required

    If you reply to this post, in whole or part I would appreciate if you provide your DEFINITION of EVIDENCE along with a reason WHY data alone is NOT evidence (OR why you are of the mind that data is evidence)

    Thank you

    Edited for numerous typos due to local distractions. Sorry about that

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    [FogHorn GCSE Astronomy Cape Kipper]
    On this site and in the world, there are some god believers who think global warming is not caused by humans, and that this warming is what happens now and again in Earth's history. So, you have got to convince those who ''already know'' a god ''exists'' . You have to convince those chaps that humans are responsible for the warming.
     
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  5. George E Hammond Registered Senior Member

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    [George E Hammond MS physics USA]
    ... It's not only global warming, it is the human condition itself that is unsustainable. The overcrowded poverty-stricken living conditions in India, Malaysia, Africa, China, South America and elsewhere engenders pandemics, poverty and war. This mess has to be cleaned up, rationally, civilly and soon!
    ... The first step is to use the discovery of the world's first scientific proof of God (SPOG) to unite the world's religions: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism and now with the advent of a SPOG, even atheism and agnosticism will be a thing of the past. The world's number one problem has been demystified! We now know what the problem is!
    ... Scientists are the first people that need to be convinced because the scientific community is largely agnostic or even atheistic. To unite world religion based on proven scientific fact, is the only way forward. The World's largest ecumenical gathering (probably in Rome) is on the horizon. And hopefully we will be able to avert world disaster!
     
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  7. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Psychometry is a form of extrasensory perception characterized by the claimed ability to make relevant associations from an object of unknown history by making physical contact with that object. Supporters assert that an object may have an energy field that transfers knowledge regarding that object's history.

    Well, that certainly radiates a great gloriole of science cred around the Proof's head; i.e., is very much in the domain of respectability.

    I guess the "2010" date must explain why "structural model of personality" is mentioned in this 2003 paper, but I can't find anything about "13 gods" subsumed in it: Scientific Proof of God (2003)

    Why stop there? Throw in the 13 tribes of Israel (yes -- 13, not 12!) and all the other scattered, triskaidekaphilic correlations and beliefs throughout history. I mean, sometimes "13" seems to border on the popularity of the number "seven" when it comes to mystical associations.

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  8. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure once they hear that God is 7' 4" tall all the worlds religions will want to get together and be friends and unite. Disaster averted, hooray!
     
  9. George E Hammond Registered Senior Member

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    [George E Hammond MS physics ('67) Cape Cod MA USA]
    ... Okay, the dictionary contains "2 definitions of Psychometry" your definition above refers to a medieval superstition long ago thrown on the ash heap of history. That definition is often confused with the modern definition:
    What is psychometric psychology?
    ... n. the branch of psychology concerned with the quantification and measurement of mental attributes, behavior, performance, and the like, as well as with the design, analysis, and improvement of the tests, questionnaires, and other instruments used in such measurement. Also called psychometric psychology; psychometry.

    ... As you can see the 2 uses of the word "psychometry" have absolutely no relation to each other!

    ... Meanwhile, I've done a little searching around on SciForums to learn where and what you have been posting about. From this I gather that I should consider you more or less like an average television, female, journalistic reporter type of interviewer! In particular you're obviously not a scientist per se and your Association with the term "consular diplomacy" tends to confirm that my identifying you as a "female television news interviewer" is probably closer to the mark!
    ... In that light, I'm rather glad to see you, since the discovery of the SPOG (the worlds first Scientific Proof of God) is certainly a dramatic news story.
    ... Meanwhile my discovery that the "12 Olympian gods" of psychometry, are actually caused by the "cubic cleavage of the brain" is actually the foundational discovery that I made back in 1994, and I published it in the peer reviewed academic literature.

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    ... It is this peer published result showing that the axiomatic cubic embryological cleavage of the brain is what causes "13 personality types" In the Field of Academic Psychometry.
    ... In fact, this discovery forms the first level of an eigenvector pyramid well known to Academic Psychometry (supported by a massive 50 year worldwide peer reviewed literature) and at the TOP of this pyramid is a mysterious and non-understood single, lone, eigenvector that the psychologists have dubbed the "GFP" (General Factor of Psychology).
    ... SO, because I have discovered that there are "axiomatically 13" personality types at the ground level and because they are "axiomatic physics wise" they must be the "so-called gods" of antiquity, namely in this case quite obviously the 12 Olympian gods, and that this tells us immediately that the single lone eigenvector at the top of the pyramid must be the God of the Bible. QED: the world's first scientific proof of God has been discovered!
    ... And to top it all off, the frosting on the cake, is that I easily show that the 4 x 4 metric (E, N, P, g) is actually a space-time metric which is not diagonal and is therefore what Einstein would call a "curvature of (subjective) space-time" . So in the end, it turns out that the world's first scientific proof God is actually explained and founded upon "Einstein's theory of relativity". Wouldn't you know it?
    ... Okay CC, if you as a diplomat and an interviewer and an investigator, can't see who it is that is talking to you (a physicist) and what he's talking about, and that it actually is "front page news", then you as a diplomat have failed the test ! But I have a suspicion that you may be a different kind of worldly observer, not a scientist, but a suspicious detective, well aware of academic jealousy, religious controversy and general intellectual rowdiness, and may adopt a more cautious and suspicious attitude about all this !!
     
  10. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    Robert Wadlow was 272cm tall and he didn't become invisible or a god, George.
    You're a woo merchant.
     
  11. George E Hammond Registered Senior Member

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    [George Hammond MS physics USA]
    ... Wadlow suffered from pituitary aplasia which produced an excessive amount of growth hormone which caused him to become abnormally tall Today the condition can be cured.
    ... I still stand by my estimate that God is 7'3" tall, 6 inches taller than Larry Bird the famous Celtics basketball player.
    ... For serious onlookers let me add that "God" is a universal mental (perceptual) phenomena caused by the (universal) "human growth curve deficit" (GCD) which is defined as the difference between the (average) human phenotype and the human genotype, which worldwide runs somewhere around a 15%
    shortfall.
    ... God has never trod the earth. There has never been a fully grown man Thus He remains an "all powerful 100% psychologically governing fully grown phantom existing in the subconscious (most likely microtubule) system of the brain and the body.
    ...
    There is a Secular Trend of increasing growth in the human race such that it is believed that the phenotype will someday approach the genotype, and the date is referred to as "Kingdom Come"
    ... At that point, every single person on earth will be fully grown and therefore by definition will be "God in the flesh" there will no longer be a "psychological Heaven", the human race will have achieved "Heaven on Earth"
    ... By the way, I have 2-degrees in physics and have been published in the peer-reviewed academic literature in a prominent journal. Mind telling me what your academic credentials are?
     
  12. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks, but I'll stick with the meaning I selected to be what's probably more applicable, because...

    ... As low an opinion as I have about the reliability of the psychological and social sciences (due to issues like the replication crisis, publish or perish, the erosion of standards, etc)...

    ... Even I wouldn't disparage or suggest that the field of psychometrics is congruent with the tail end of "quirky" statements like: "there are 'axiomatically 13' personality types at the ground level and because they are 'axiomatic physics wise' they must be the 'so-called gods' of antiquity, namely in this case quite obviously the 12 Olympian gods, and that this tells us immediately that the single lone eigenvector at the top of the pyramid must be the God of the Bible".

    Yah, I'm familiar with a certain manner of (or absence) of "peer review": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_publishing#Characteristics

    Tell you what... How about some makeover pointers?

    For instance (and despite the "E" being a nice touch), you do know that you're using the same name as a military character on that old scifi series "Stargate", right? General Hammond, to be specific: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hammond_(Stargate)

    Just meant that as a tip, might help an iota with any initial credibility challenges.

    And maybe the "I'm a bonafide fysiks person" presentation worked sparingly for Jack Sarfatti, Fred Alan Wolf, and the rest from that '70s group...

    But an alternative route you might consider is portraying yourself as an autodidact with the highest IQ on Earth (example in the video below). For whatever bizarre reason, the news networks really go for that stuff [repeatedly, no less].

    Also, try a different acronym than "SPOG". Sounds like a runaway creature from a '50s flick. Langan's "CTMU" sounds banal, but still offers some superficial dignity for this type of racket...

    Christopher Langan - ABC News Report (2007)
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    What's the crackpot index score for this one? Has anybody calculated?
     
  14. George E Hammond Registered Senior Member

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    [George E Hammond MS physics Cape Cod MA USA]
    Hi James R, you are listed as a "staff member" of SciForums.
    ... I just received this message in my "Alerts" box:
    "Your thread The first experimental measurement of God; to a 2-decimal point accuracy was moved to a different forum. Reason: this reeks of pseudoscience Today at 12:11 AM
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    My mistake. It should have said "subforum", technically. Sorry about that.
     
  16. George E Hammond Registered Senior Member

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    ... Oops, the system posted prematurely before I finished the message.... As I was saying, someone moved my post to "Pseudoscience" – was that you? Or someone else?
    .... Anyway I would like to point out that the larger part of my "theory" as it were, has been published in a prominent peer-reviewed academic journal:

    Peer reviewed publications: Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in NewIdeas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167 Elsevier Scientific Ltd.. Online copy of published paper is posted at: Elsevier Scientific Ltd. 1994https://tinyurl.com/2wnrjht3 also a full length free research only copy is located here:https://tinyurl.com/28tyke6w

    ... This is a prominent journal published by the world's largest scientific publisher. It was unanimously recommended by all 3 reviewers and the editor Richard Kitchener; all of them of course PhD's if not professors in academia! NIP/Elsevier does not publish "crackpot theories", and I am deeply wounded by your characterization of this work as such.
    ... I do not intend to protest, complain or resist in any way your actions because of course I am completely at your mercy and have the greatest gratitude for any meager allowance tendered whatsoever! But I do hope that no further onerous measures will be taken against me.
    George Hammond MS physics (1967)
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    George E Hammond:

    That was me.
    A case of poor editorial judgment, perhaps. Or perhaps the content of your published article is not as radical as the silly mess of nonsensical claims you are putting up here.

    I didn't read your article. There doesn't seem to be any good reason why I should, based on what you have written here.
    If you're planning on sticking around for a while, you might like to familiarise yourself with our site posting guidelines. They are available in the Site Feedback subforum (selectable from the home page), as a sticky thread.
     
  18. George E Hammond Registered Senior Member

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    _____[BREAKING NEWS UPDATE George E Hammond ___February 3, 2022]
    _____[BREAKING NEWS UPDATE George E Hammond ___February 3, 2022]

    Meanwhile, would you believe some philosophy student on
    the Internet saw my theory on Usenet and posted this 120 year old
    quotation from the great William James professor at Harvard:

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    [Matt Faunce posted on alt.philosophy.debate:]
    ...I think this quote by William James fits your theory.

    [William James wrote:]
    “[T]he theologian’s contention that the religious man is moved by an
    external power is vindicated, for it is one of the peculiarities of
    invasions from the subconscious region to take on objective appearances,
    and to suggest to the Subject an external control. In the religious life
    the control is felt as ‘higher’; but since on our hypothesis it is
    primarily the higher faculties of our own hidden mind which are
    controlling, the sense of union with the power beyond us is a sense of
    something, not merely apparently, but literally true.”

    –William James, in The Varieties of Religious Experience, Lecture XX,
    (paragraph 512)

    [George Hammond posted on alt.philosophy.debate:]
    Hi Matt Faunce,
    ...It's been 8 months since I talked to you on this thread. I never thought
    I'd hear from you again.
    ... Yes, according to my discovery of the world's first scientific proof of God,
    William James certainly did know what God was. And in the 19th century
    that was a lot rarer than it is today! In ...........................................................

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    Isn't that amazing! William James actually figured out what God was
    120 years ago, and now I have found precisely, the exact scientific
    proof of exactly what he predicted! And thank my lucky stars that this
    philosophy student named "Matt Faunce" recognize it buried in one of
    William Jameses famous "Gifford lectures" from 1902 !
    For chrissakes, people think I'm crazy and it turns out that William James
    the most famous American psychologist and philosopher in American history,
    chairman of the Harvard psychology department and world-famous, predicted
    precisely the same thing 120 years ago – – but of course he couldn't
    scientifically prove it – – and now I've found the scientific proof of exactly
    what he said !! If that doesn't beat all, I don't know what does ?!

    George E Hammond February 3, 2022
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Well done

    Now all you need to do is to
    • SHOW YOUR WORKINGS
    • AND
    • CONVINCE THE REST OF US ON THIS FORUM

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  20. George E Hammond Registered Senior Member

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    [George E Hammond MS physics]

    (Scientific proof of God in 713 words)
    https://tinyurl.com/hjztey4u

    (Scientific proof of God – 12-min YouTube video)


    ... Look 345, here's a 713 word paper and a 12 minute
    YouTube video in which I explain the whole thing, in
    person! That's the best I can do for you.
    ... I'm not going to sit here and talk to people under a
    jackass heading of "pseudoscience", don't be absurd !
    ...And I won't post here any further because of it !
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Which does not provide proof

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    You stop first

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    Promise?

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  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Poor Cuckoo being compared to George E Hammond MS physics

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