The Far Right and the Far Left Debate

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ElectricFetus, Aug 1, 2017.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    They are in fact often considered assault. (Look up the legal definition.)
    OK. Nor do I feel a need to counter them, so that works out.

    But in any case back to the question. If someone slapped you in the face, what good would getting annoyed/offended do?
     
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  3. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    The pen is mightier than the sword. Didn't you get the memo?
     
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  5. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Oh so who have I assulted? Have I assulted Trump by calling him a pig boar too?

    And that is how we end up with republican domination.

    Again words are not a slap in the face, but jesus suposedly got pretty far by simply turning the other cheek.
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah when it used for making reasons arguements.

    Worse those that get offended don't want to use the pen in return, they want to use some form of force, be if phyiscal violence, firing, banning, de-platforming, all of which have had the opposite effect at a national level.
     
  8. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Or when used for fascist propaganda. Scapegoating minorities is done with the pen. They need the pen before they can use the sword.
     
  9. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    How does one counter fascist propaganda, with the pen.
     
  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    You have no idea what you're dealing with, then.

    A weapon is just a thing unless there is someone to wield it and something to use it against.

    One of the major problems with your rhetoric is that you appear to forget other people actually exist—

    —unless you're screeching about how you want to make them miserable.

    By the way, is there a learning disorder you would like to declare on your behalf, or any other behavioral or psychiatric issue we ought to be aware of? This bit where you pretend to forget your own posts is really, really stupid, and really, really dishonest.

    See, at this point you don't even understand what you're on about.

    Vulgarity isn't the problem. Your bigotry is.

    Von Clausewitz argued that all wars are started by defenders. Your advocacy of bullying is the same: If people just let cruelty such as yours run rampant, nobody—at least that you acknowledge as real—has any need to fight about anything.

    Part of the problem, ElectricFetus, is that you show yourself as a terrible human being. If you really want people to believe it, then don't cry when they do.

    No, debating with you is never productive; you don't actually debate.

    Oh, right, the videos. People aren't wasting their time on your lazy bullshit. If you want to have a real discussion, it's possible to do so; you just need to not go out of your way to spike it.
     
  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Wouldn't have happened if Republicans didn't get offended by liberal values, like science and respect for women and other different kinds of human beings.

    I can certainly give a Jew a pass for joking about Jewish stereotypes, but the subtlety can be lost on a forum like this. And the joke should at least be funny.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    OK, so sounds like you wouldn't be annoyed or offended by being slapped in the face. (That's great; not sure if I could maintain that sort of equanimity.) That is NOT a justification for people slapping you in the face, however.

    I do not insult people because that's how I was raised - courtesy and respect goes a long way, whereas assault (of either the verbal or physical sort) is rude and generally uncalled for. You can disagree; that's fine. But I prefer to treat other people as I wish to be treated, even if it would make some political points to call someone a nigger, a fat brown buffalo or a conniving jew.
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    That not a counter argument, you have not proven how words are dangerous, or even provided any evidence, merely gone off on me.

    Yes, apparently, I suffer from tiasslaxia, that is an inability to understand you in particular. Please provide the context and details about how "unless you're screeching about how you want to make them miserable." means I "have declared [my] intention to inflict harm."

    And that bigotry is what? That us Jews are conniving? I hate Fat brown buffalos? How about pig boars? If you had any understanding of Cenk and Ben and the internet response to them

    Well that is hypocritical, your calling me a bully when it is you that is the bully. Who am I bullying by the way, and how?

    Oh no I'm a terrible human being according to some internet forum denizen, my life is over, oh boo-hoo, oh look at how a cry, ooooh boo hoo hoo who hoo.

    I don't care if you think I'm a terrible human being, your opinions have lead use into the cthulhuian age of Trump, so I weigh your opinions with a stone of salt now.

    Then why are you debating me now?

    Well now that I know the quality of "adults" on this forum I will keep that in mind.
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    How was I justifying slapping people in the face?

    Problem with the golden rule is that as I have already admitted I don't find "conniving jew" offense, I find it hilarious, flattering even, fat brown buffalo is a joke of insult, as for N-word, unless you are black I don't think you can even type that world without causing offense, you must be rude or something... which brings us to problem #2 with the golden rule: there are things you find iniquitous that offends, sorry, "assaults" others, do you conform? Personally I think it is cruel and evil to allow adult humans to live like children with everyone forced to walk on egg shells around their feelings.

    All this is in fact prescient to the thread topic, because despite Ann and Ana and Cenk and Ben constantly offending each other in those debates they managed to stay on task and debate like adults, because they are better humans then some here.
     
  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    It is not the republicans being offended I'm worried about, it is the independents and even liberals we lost by offending them, because of that we have trump now. Instead of going high and arguing with republicans on the merits of our values, on science, on equal rights for all, we belittled them and slandered whole demographics, who turned around and voted for a pig boar as president.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No, we end up with republican domination due to people like yourself, who prefer republican domination to a mediocre centrist candidate. Congratulations; you got what you wanted. How does it taste?
    And a slap in the face is often not injurious. So?
    OK. Go up to a black person and call him a nigger; explain that it's hilarious. See what happens. If he isn't happy, explain that getting annoyed or offended does nothing.

    Or go up to a rabbi and call him a conniving jew - or go up to a fat black man and call him a fat brown buffalo. Explain that it's funny! And again explain that they should not be offended by your words.

    Let us know what happens.
    Common courtesy and respect is not "living like children with everyone forced to walk on egg shells." If you think so, I feel sorry for you, and even more sorry for your friends.
     
  17. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I voted for Hillary, in the general election.

    Again a word is not a slap in the face, regardless if it causes injury or not, words by the way do not cause injury.

    Lots of black people use the word nigger casually, and others don't and find the word offensive no matter who speaks it, black people are not a hive mind of single opinion.

    If they were arguing a political policy and someone responses by calling them a nigger, then yes, my advice would be don't take the bait.

    Funny that, it was a rabbi that told me to never take offense, and then did an Anne frank in bed with hitler joke. Oh and rabbis are definitely not a hive mind of single opinion.

    Tell me, who is president right now? Do you think common courtesy and respect got him elected? No, getting offended and taking the bait got him elected.

    And more of these ad hominims about me.
     
  18. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    How do you think people get roused up to fight fascism?
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Then go up to a black guy you don't know in the street and call him a nigger. Should be fine, right? Get back to us on what happens.
    What bait? You have been arguing all along that such language should not be offensive or annoying, since it does no good.
    Ah. So you want everyone to be more like Trump to win elections. That explains a lot.
     
  20. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    No the problem is people who get offended, because they are stupid and lack impulse control, and thus empower those that use offense, like Trump.

    I'm not going to base a argument on a platitude. But certainly banning and attack fascist, like fascists is not the right approach, for ultimately they are ones who are more violent and more energized by violence.

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  21. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Oh I found another debate, I like how they have theme music, like a wrestling match.

     
  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Who said anything about banning fascists? I'm suggesting that if we fight them with words we may not have to fight them with guns and bombs. You don't need a civil war to solve every internal problem, do you? You do it with words.
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Well I never said don't fight them with words, go right ahead, but calling them names and getting angry only pleases them and makes us look like children, so choose your words wisely.
     

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